As many times as I've been called a Fenian/Orange b. ( depending on which half of the OF we were playing)
Believe me, if this was Celtic, I'd be having every bit as much fun.
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As many times as I've been called a Fenian/Orange b. ( depending on which half of the OF we were playing)
Believe me, if this was Celtic, I'd be having every bit as much fun.
okay can see your point now and there was me going to take up your golfing offer too, maybe I should have now you have made you views a bit more clearer....
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Cheap shot my ass. Truth, 100%, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. FACT. No lies, no made up nonsense, FACTS. Live with it, admit it and get over it. If I live out with my means and don't pay taxes or my mortgage etc the taxman will be after me and the bank takes my house. Rangers should be no different.
Now go on, tell me I'm a Tim, I've already been called a Hun. Gimme a full house mate!
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Adi2Dassler
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I'm guessing the mods let this slip by because they're unaware of the connotations in this post?Easily the worst post I've read on here.
For those who don't know, taig is a term used by loyalist groups for Irish Catholics in such nice dittys as kill all taigs.
The potato reference is based on the great famine in Ireland where about 1million people died.
williamalex1
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just heard if craig white gets 5 years in jail , murray will put in 10. and im a teddy bear. they both deserve it
Adi2Dassler
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I know a few Rangers fans, some are decent, some not so.The decent supporters realise the club have done some seriously wrong stuff and and accept starting in div 3 as a suitable punishment, the others, well, you can take a guess.
NWJocko
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Agree although it goes both ways.... The h**, t**, t*** etc references in this post highlight why bigotry and sectarianism will always be present in Scotland sadly.
Re the footy, I do feel for the rangers fans, although I still fear newco rangers will be playing in the spl next season making an utter mockery of our leagues.
Could Livingston and/or Gretna sue the spl and sfa if this happens?
williamalex1
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i just notice your forum name .AMcC. your not ALLY are you ?that would be good
williamalex1
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livy and gretna . didn,t lose their spot in europe and lose a few million, or fined as much . how may times can you hang someone .
NWJocko
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Not talking about rangers. Meant livi and Gretna got punted to the bottom league (and beyond in the case of Gretna).
There is no "rangers" for anyone to sue I was talking about the authorities who are going to ( I suspect) do whatever they can to keep newco rangers in the spl.
chris661
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Livi and gretna never systematically cheated there way to trophies and titles over 20 years though. How much money did Souness pay for the three duds that he took to blackburn 18 - 20 million? come on
Liverbirdie
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Hi Yer Maw, you misunderstand me. I was talking from a religious point of view.
Liverpool was/is a divided religious city, but gladly this has immensely improved over the last 10-15 years. My grandparents and parents have regaled me with loads of stories from what it was like to live in Liverpool, even back to the thirties. In the 30's (and before) it was deeply divided with certain streets being orange or green with regard to residents.
One side of my family were virtually bullied out of one street, with them being the only catholic family in a certain street (had their windows put in etc). When walking the streets you were often asked "I" or "O" as a kid in this time. There were'nt many mixed families around then, although there were some
My mum/dad said that this had abated by the 60's, but around the 12th (July) tensions would always rise again. The lodge would be regularly attacked/bricked in certain areas especially around the bullring and Scotland road areas of Liverpool. Netherfield road was (and still is) a fiercely Protestant area, and there are still two "clubs" there now, near to Liverpool's ground. When the lodge marched it would sometimes take 30 minutes to pass, as they would often be joined by bands from Scotland and Ireland.
When growing up in the 70's/80's my dad used to take me to see the lodge (even though I was brought up a Cathloic, due to my mother). The kids used to go and watch them of both persuasions TBH. He was also nearly arrested once for crossing the road between 2 seperate bands. I was never inclulcated on any side. My dad only seen it as a bevvy, but all his family used to meet up and go to Southport with the lodge, but none of them are fiercely orange, and most are mixed marriages.
I don't say this as any slight on Glasgow, but Liverpool has dramatically moved on from the past and as each generation goes by the religious divide is hardly evident nowadays. Religion barely geta a mention, although it can flare up now and again.
I think that one of the reasons it is still a massive thing in Glasgow (and Scotland) is due to the OF. Some say that LFC was the Protestant club, Everton the catholic club. I slightly disagree, I think it was more LFC used to buy Scottish players, EFC Irish players. Both sets of my family are Red, but come from Dad's (Protestant) and Mum's (Catholic) heritage, and TBH this is reflected throughout the city.
I have been thinking of putting a post on here for 6 months, about whether there is any hope in Scottish football (or society) with regard to sectarianism, and have wanted to pick the right time. Sadly with RFC/CFC playing each other 4-6 times a year, and the Rangers debacle, I have realised that there will never be a right time, as it obviously inflames so many passions.
This is not someone on a high horse, some may not like an outsider commenting on this, but whilst no expert, unusually Liverpool is the only other English city that actually has had the same problems in the past. There hasn't been any "campaigns" to get rid of sectarianism, I would mainly put it down to religious apathy and the fact that our footy teams have never much bought into it.
LFC fans sing a song called "Scouser Tommy" (look it up) which has part of it's tune from "the sash" and also sing a song called "the fields of Anfield road" from the tune "fields of Athenry". I am sure everyone sings both songs.
Not being judgemental, sad to see Rangers fold, also understand some of the Celtic/other Scottish teams ire , as seen as financial cheating.
imo because the parents fuel it..........
on the Rangers issue it appears Jim McColl involved now, now thats a man with credibility..........his interest surprises me unless he has political aspirations
Paul_Stewart
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I am no soccer fan but the subject of business in sport is one I write about for the American media a lot. To put this whole situation into some kind of perspective, how about this?
Imagine someone at your golf club, John Doe, has been caught cheating in a competition and the penalty is for him to be kicked out of your club. He then wants to re-apply calling himself John Doe 2, wants his handicap automatically transferred to his new personna, plus also the £100 he has on his bar levy card, and the vouchers he previously had to spend in the club shop. He also wants his reserved tee times for the next month too.
And in addition, John Doe still owed his previous year's subscription to the club. But he now wanted this wiped clean so he could start the new year with nothing owing.
How would you feel about that as a golfer?
Imagine someone at your golf club, John Doe, has been caught cheating in a competition and the penalty is for him to be kicked out of your club. He then wants to re-apply calling himself John Doe 2, wants his handicap automatically transferred to his new personna, plus also the £100 he has on his bar levy card, and the vouchers he previously had to spend in the club shop. He also wants his reserved tee times for the next month too.
And in addition, John Doe still owed his previous year's subscription to the club. But he now wanted this wiped clean so he could start the new year with nothing owing.
How would you feel about that as a golfer?
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Rangers Football Club PLC (in administration – or is that now in liquidation?) is no longer eligible to hold an SPL share. It does not have a ground, it cannot run a youth development system, it has major financial issues. Remember that those overdue accounts are now due today. It fails to meet many of the SPL membership criteria.
So the next Board meeting of the SPL should ask for the share to be remitted to the league. The former football club should take no more part in discussions on the future of an organisation it will not be a part of.
Sevco 5088 (trading as The Rangers Football Club) is not yet a football club. We are told that it now owns Ibrox Stadium and Murray Park, but does it employ any footballers? Does it have a youth development system? Can it meet the SPL’s financial regulations?
This is not as simple as Sevco winning 8 votes – and that should be 8 of 11 SPL members by the time a decisions is made. Before its application can be voted on it must be assessed against all of the membership criteria.
As said by me all along this process,this has a long long way to go yet.
So the next Board meeting of the SPL should ask for the share to be remitted to the league. The former football club should take no more part in discussions on the future of an organisation it will not be a part of.
Sevco 5088 (trading as The Rangers Football Club) is not yet a football club. We are told that it now owns Ibrox Stadium and Murray Park, but does it employ any footballers? Does it have a youth development system? Can it meet the SPL’s financial regulations?
This is not as simple as Sevco winning 8 votes – and that should be 8 of 11 SPL members by the time a decisions is made. Before its application can be voted on it must be assessed against all of the membership criteria.
As said by me all along this process,this has a long long way to go yet.
chris661
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I honestly think there will be NO rangers at all next year, maybe juniors but I can't see how they can get readmitted to the league going by the rules. I can imagine Spartans will contest any re admittance
FairwayDodger
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Dodger, you're morally right I believe. Unfortunately the worlds of business and football don't often operate on common sense morality. I find it strange "Rangers" get a vote in this.
Take a step back though. The SPL has lost one of its two biggest teams and with them maybe (finger in the air) 30% of paying supporters. The two-horse race becomes a coronation procession for the next few years, even Celtic fans will tire of the lack of competition. There is a danger of loss of income from TV. Turnover from the league will reduce, downsizing is likely... etc etc. Not blustering here, not saying "the SPL needs Rangers" but trying to look at it realistically.
So if a company applies to enter a new team in the league. They have a good stadium and other facilities, the capacity to run a youth program etc. And can reasonably suggest they would bring back almost as many supporters as were lost when Rangers left, possibly mount a challenge for the title in a couple of seasons. Is there merit in accepting that application? Is the answer different if they want to call themselves "Rangers" or... say... "Govan Wanderers"?
Yes, a long way to go and still too many people grinding historical axes instead of looking pragmatically to the future.
chris661
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How did Scottish football fare on the european stage in the 80's and 90's or how competative wsa the league when only one of rangers and celtic were strong?
FairwayDodger
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Paul, no offence but I don't think your analogy holds water. Good attempt to steer things back to golf though!
In your example, an individual is guilty of cheating and been punished.
With Rangers the people responsible for the "cheating" have left the club and should never be involved in football again. The fans, most of whom will have supported the club all their lives, are guilty of nothing more than naivety (I'm talking about the corporate governance stuff - not any abuse/thuggery etc that some individuals have done - and all football clubs have an undesirable element in their support - so please nobody toss that back here).
Why should the institution not be rehabilitated under new ownership?
I was pretty upset when Rangers went into administration and again when it became clear they'd be liquidated but I think I'm now able to look at it with more detachment. I'm not sure I'd even support "New Rangers" but, with everything that's happened, I can't think of a good reason not to try to let them start again; under the conditions I suggested yesterday that nobody wants to comment on:
Division 3 / Zero Tolerance of sectarianism / History forgotten (both good and bad aspects) / Support from SFA/SFL/SPL to help them back on their feet rather than continuing to heap more punishments on them
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