Rangers

[2004Champ]

Cheating Huns 1872 should be stripped of every trophy they have won since 1986 and New Huns 2012 should not be allowed to play in any league in Scotland ever! Not even in the Junior league.

Notice how they have all shut up about how Marseille cheated them in 1992 since being exposed as the biggest cheats in world football?

 

[thecraw]

Cheating Huns 1872 should be stripped of every trophy they have won since 1986 and New Huns 2012 should not be allowed to play in any league in Scotland ever! Not even in the Junior league.

Notice how they have all shut up about how Marseille cheated them in 1992 since being exposed as the biggest cheats in world football?

I did wonder when you and your bigoted views would surface on this thread!

 

[Iaing]

6 weeks tomorrow till the season starts.
Does anyone else feel that this isn't enough time to get this mess sorted out.
Surely if TCFKAR go to the third division, the present third division clubs will need time to get their infrastructure in place.
I travelled with Killie when we were in the second division and you'd get to Brechin or east Stirling and there would be only one gate open. So most of the 500 or so travelling supporters ummm...didn't pay.
I'd imagine it could be worse this time with TCFKAR probably taking a lot more fans.

 

[Mungoscorner]

The record attendance at Pride Park in Derby (Derby County) was between Rangers and a select XI from Derby,in June 2006.
This was a testimonial game for ex Rangers player Ted McMinn (The Tinman).
Our fanbase is massive,stick us in any league and we'll make our way back to the top.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Mungo lets hope you do.

 

[chris661]

The record attendance at Pride Park in Derby (Derby County) was between Rangers and a select XI from Derby,in June 2006.
This was a testimonial game for ex Rangers player Ted McMinn (The Tinman).
Our fanbase is massive,stick us in any league and we'll make our way back to the top.

You are kidding right? What happened to the share issue that Minty put out? How much is in the fighting fund? Hows the season ticket sales going?

 

[thecraw]

:rofl:

 

[Val]

Can I just add a bit of fact and suggest people stop suggesting Rangers drop to Dv 3. Rangers do not exist and can't drop anywhere.

I believe newco Rangers will be in the top league after 2 seasons due to league reconstruction, it's is the best opportunity for revolutionary change in our game.

 

[smange]

Sorry but it does. I have tried to put a case across where I think rfc are guilty. But we certainly need to defend ourselves against some of the factually incorrect garbage on here

Anyway I'll get back to sticking to facts again. Dunfermline MUST to go down. End of. The Spl rules clearly say a club will always be relegated. If need be the second placed sfl team would come up if the sfl champs ground could not meet the criteria. Thought to be better than the previous farce of maybe Down maybe not we had a good few years ago. This was voted in on an 8-4 style majority vote. Note this also puts to bed the theory on here that it is always an 11-1 vote for the Spl and a8-4 vote was invented to just to help vote in the newco

So how come Aberdeen (1999 I think) avoided a play off with Falkirk when Falkirks ground was deemed unfit for SPL and how come Motherwell(2003) also avoided relegation due to Falkirks ground.

Or is this another case of implementing rules when it suits?

 

[SS2]

Two words that frequently appear in the thread are "Facts" and "Rules".

Coincidentally, these are two things that seem to be missing from this whole sad process or are open to interpretation depending on the colours of your scarf.

 

[Mungoscorner]

Two words that frequently appear in the thread are "Facts" and "Rules".

Coincidentally, these are two things that seem to be missing from this whole sad process or are open to interpretation depending on the colours of your scarf.

Spot on.

 

[smange]

Excellent piece from a St Johnstone fan which pretty well sums up the feeling of fans of other clubs throughout the country

http://blueheavenfanzine.wordpress....ions-of-a-lapsed-st-johnstone-fanzine-editor/

if you cant be bothered reading whole thing this is the jist of it

"what it boils down to is this: I’d rather watch St Johnstone playing amateur Sunday league football on the North Inch, than pay to see them willingly participate in a fixed, corrupt Premier League. Because that is exactly what the SPL will become if it allows a brand new football club to leapfrog the lower divisions and start out in the top flight, based purely on the strength of an application form.
Is this really how the SPL wants football to work now? Should we ditch the concept of promotion and relegation completely, and just open up every place in the league to the highest bidder? Why even bother playing football at all? Why not just turn the whole league into one big, obscene auction?"

 

[StuartD]

So how come Aberdeen (1999 I think) avoided a play off with Falkirk when Falkirks ground was deemed unfit for SPL and how come Motherwell(2003) also avoided relegation due to Falkirks ground.

Or is this another case of implementing rules when it suits?

Sorry last post was not that clear. The relagation rule was changed a few years ago along with the Spl ground criteria. May not be that fair on Dunfermline now compared to what Motherwell and Aberdeen got away with

 

[Dodger]

Sorry but it does. I have tried to put a case across where I think rfc are guilty. But we certainly need to defend ourselves against some of the factually incorrect garbage on here

Anyway I'll get back to sticking to facts again. Dunfermline MUST to go down. End of. The Spl rules clearly say a club will always be relegated. If need be the second placed sfl team would come up if the sfl champs ground could not meet the criteria. Thought to be better than the previous farce of maybe Down maybe not we had a good few years ago. This was voted in on an 8-4 style majority vote. Note this also puts to bed the theory on here that it is always an 11-1 vote for the Spl and a8-4 vote was invented to just to help vote in the newco

Oh the irony.

God that took away my hangover for a bit, laughed my tits off when I saw that.

 

[StuartD]

Chris

Would agree that the rff fund has been disappointing. With regards to the share issue it was only open to existing shareholders. Many fans wanted to invest but couldn't. Our ex chairman would have had to make the plc public and float the plc on the stock exchange (as celtic did) to open the share issue to anybody. As most people just want a small holding for symbolic reasons, the share issue always going to be a disaster as those asked to invest already had their symbolic shareholding


One question I would like to ask. Many on here say RFC is dead and a new club is trying to take their position in the Spl. How then can the Spl apply sanctions on a completely new club and hold hem responsible for the misdemeanours of a dead club wih regards to the Ebt's

 

[chris661]

Chris

Would agree that the rff fund has been disappointing. With regards to the share issue it was only open to existing shareholders. Many fans wanted to invest but couldn't. Our ex chairman would have had to make the plc public and float the plc on the stock exchange (as celtic did) to open the share issue to anybody. As most people just want a small holding for symbolic reasons, the share issue always going to be a disaster as those asked to invest already had their symbolic shareholding


One question I would like to ask. Many on here say RFC is dead and a new club is trying to take their position in the Spl. How then can the Spl apply sanctions on a completely new club and hold hem responsible for the misdemeanours of a dead club wih regards to the Ebt's

Thats what I dont get, folk say they were the best supported club with the most loyal fans. So for the 200,000 that wrecked Manchester they can only chuck in 3 quid each? That is fairly pathetic IMO.

As for the shares the existing shareholders were only able for roughly £1m? leaving Minty to BORROW another £50M. You couldnt make it up.

As for the punishments, sporting sanctions are the ONLY viable option left and frankly I would not let the new company use rangers or any associated badges etc. If you go bust thats it I realise this is a fairly simplistic view but there we go.

 

[Dodger]

Chris

Would agree that the rff fund has been disappointing. With regards to the share issue it was only open to existing shareholders. Many fans wanted to invest but couldn't. Our ex chairman would have had to make the plc public and float the plc on the stock exchange (as celtic did) to open the share issue to anybody. As most people just want a small holding for symbolic reasons, the share issue always going to be a disaster as those asked to invest already had their symbolic shareholding


One question I would like to ask. Many on here say RFC is dead and a new club is trying to take their position in the Spl. How then can the Spl apply sanctions on a completely new club and hold hem responsible for the misdemeanours of a dead club wih regards to the Ebt's

On the face of it I'd say they can't but the new club in that case would have to accept the fact that they are a new club and the status that confers on them. But, you Huns want to inherit the good stuff (SPL status, history) and leave the bad stuff behind(sanctions). For me if they want to leave the bad stuff behind then they have to leave the good stuff behind too and if they leave the good stuff then they have can leave the bad stuff.

Either way if you ever get around to kicking a football again I hope you are hammered severely everyone knows that it's the same "club" (not company). They'll play in blue, play at Ibrox and the fans will sing sectarian songs. They (football authorities) must punish the entity to prevent other clubs doing exactly the same thing.

 

[Val]

Chris

Would agree that the rff fund has been disappointing. With regards to the share issue it was only open to existing shareholders. Many fans wanted to invest but couldn't. Our ex chairman would have had to make the plc public and float the plc on the stock exchange (as celtic did) to open the share issue to anybody. As most people just want a small holding for symbolic reasons, the share issue always going to be a disaster as those asked to invest already had their symbolic shareholding


One question I would like to ask. Many on here say RFC is dead and a new club is trying to take their position in the Spl. How then can the Spl apply sanctions on a completely new club and hold hem responsible for the misdemeanours of a dead club wih regards to the Ebt's

Maybe because newco want in on the party in place of Rangers FC (in liquidation)

You can't have it all.

Interestingly yesterday isaw a guy wearing the home jersey of the liquidated rangers for season 2012/13, what happens to money there?

 

[StuartD]

On the face of it I'd say they can't but the new club in that case would have to accept the fact that they are a new club and the status that confers on them. But, you Huns want to inherit the good stuff (SPL status, history) and leave the bad stuff behind(sanctions). For me if they want to leave the bad stuff behind then they have to leave the good stuff behind too and if they leave the good stuff then they have can leave the good stuff

Good post. Not sure I agree with the plc liquidated and the club is still alive theories going about But you are right if we keep the good stuff then we must take the ebt punishments

As for the sale of merchandise rfc had a fixed yearly contract with jjb. That will be torn up now as a result, if the strip was bought there then jjb will be lining their pockets

If the top was bought in the Rangers store I suspect the money will still be going into the dead oldco right now along with our season ticket money

 

[chris661]

If the top was bought in the Rangers store I suspect the money will still be going into the dead oldco right now along with our season ticket money

Which must be REALLY worrying for fans. I know if it was me I would be really concerned that I wouldn't have a club to support. I seen something on twitter that "senior non playing staff have a contingency in place for 1 year without football" *gulp* If that happens will a club reform?