Racist Ryanair Passenger

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RandG said:
Yet it seems ok for others to sit in judgement from the comfort of their armchair. :unsure:
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Or for others to be ambivilent to a defenceless old lady being abused?

I've stepped in before to something similar on the street, and yes got a wack, and I would do it again.
 
road2ruin said:
Personally I don't think the passengers should have to get involved, they did as much as they should have done. What if a passenger does get involved, decides to take action and try and get the offending passenger off the plane themselves. During the altercation (which there would have been, can't see that guy going quietly) there is some sort of accident and that passenger (or someone else) suffers serious injury. All of this is captured on film and it ends up being the have a go hero sat in the wrong side of the dock.

This should have been handled solely by the cabin crew and captain of the airline, it shouldn't be up to the passengers to have to step in and do Ryanair's job for them.
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I agree, but if the passenegers castegate the cabin crew for doing nothing, something has to be done.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Or for others to be ambivilent to a defenceless old lady being abused?

I've stepped in before to something similar on the street, and yes got a wack, and I would do it again.
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I think there is a difference between stepping in where someone might suffer physical harm and potentially escalating a situation that is purely verbal. That's not to say it was right in any way, shape or form however the woman wasn't in any physical danger and those passengers who did try and diffuse the situation did what they could be expected to do imo. The actions of the cabin crew were pathetic and all it would have taken was a call to the captain and for him to radio the airport and this would have been dealt with. Instead they seemed to stand back and then once the lady was moved checked on the offending passenger to check that HE was okay?!
 
road2ruin said:
I think there is a difference between stepping in where someone might suffer physical harm and potentially escalating a situation that is purely verbal. That's not to say it was right in any way, shape or form however the woman wasn't in any physical danger and those passengers who did try and diffuse the situation did what they could be expected to do imo. The actions of the cabin crew were pathetic and all it would have taken was a call to the captain and for him to radio the airport and this would have been dealt with. Instead they seemed to stand back and then once the lady was moved checked on the offending passenger to check that HE was okay?!
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A lot of sense there.
 
road2ruin said:
I think there is a difference between stepping in where someone might suffer physical harm and potentially escalating a situation that is purely verbal. That's not to say it was right in any way, shape or form however the woman wasn't in any physical danger and those passengers who did try and diffuse the situation did what they could be expected to do imo. The actions of the cabin crew were pathetic and all it would have taken was a call to the captain and for him to radio the airport and this would have been dealt with. Instead they seemed to stand back and then once the lady was moved checked on the offending passenger to check that HE was okay?!
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Is there any news what happened when they landed? For all we know this may have been going on behind the scenes and he was arrested upon exit
 
MegaSteve said:
Filming might help the police later but of absolute no use to the lady at the time...
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And this is my point, one person on the clip I saw, the lad sat behind told the rascist guy to calm down and shut up. Whilst others filmed and did nowt. What would I of done, is the repeated question. Well I would like to think that I to would of said something and not just filmed it.
Kellfire said:
You think they’re as reliable as film?

Haha. Oh god. Brilliant.
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No it's not brilliant and if rascist attacks are funny then I need educating. I would think that if you have been booted off a plane for a rascist attack by a pilot of a major airline there's a good chance it might stand up in court.
 
Tashyboy said:
And this is my point, one person on the clip I saw, the lad sat behind told the rascist guy to calm down and shut up. Whilst others filmed and did nowt. What would I of done, is the repeated question. Well I would like to think that I to would of said something and not just filmed it
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But Tashy, what would you actually achieve by getting involved? A warm fuzzy feeling of achievement? The guy behind got involved but it became clear that the cabin crew weren’t going to do any constructive so you chucking your oar in is only going to inflame the situation.

As for the filming a decent lawyer can twist and argue things. The racist man felt threatened, the entire plane descended on him etc etc. Gets off on a technicality because one of the passengers contradicts another’s statement. The film leaves no grey area, nothing can be twisted as it’s there exactly how it happened. An expensive law case is avoided and, in theory, it’s open and shut.
 
road2ruin said:
But Tashy, what would you actually achieve by getting involved? A warm fuzzy feeling of achievement? The guy behind got involved but it became clear that the cabin crew weren’t going to do any constructive so you chucking your oar in is only going to inflame the situation.
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Sadly a lot of todays society think that way, and in the modern litigous way I can understand that arguement. However especially at this time of year, is it right to not question standing back and "let someone else do it"?
I am not directing this at you personally, just societies modern way of leaving things for someone else to deal with. Something is right no matter what the outcome, and when someone is being bullied racially, physically or mentally isn't it right to do something, anything to help the innocent party?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Something is right no matter what the outcome, and when someone is being bullied racially, physically or mentally isn't it right to do something, anything to help the innocent party?
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Quite a number of years ago an old friend of mine intervened where a bloke was hitting his woman, which resulted in them both turning on him and her subsequently stamping on his face with her stiletto heel, that day a lesson was learnt by him and many others in which he told his story to.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Sadly a lot of todays society think that way, and in the modern litigous way I can understand that arguement. However especially at this time of year, is it right to not question standing back and "let someone else do it"?
I am not directing this at you personally, just societies modern way of leaving things for someone else to deal with. Something is right no matter what the outcome, and when someone is being bullied racially, physically or mentally isn't it right to do something, anything to help the innocent party?
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For me it depends on the scenario. It angers me when people get their phones out to video something horrific or not intervening in something that could prevent physical harm. However, again for me, the airplane thing is different. It’s a confined space, having everyone shouting abuse as the racist bloke doesn’t achieve anything and the passenger closest to the actual event is getting involved and trying to calm it down. What does it achieve if I start shouting from 5 rows away.

I maintain that the ones who failed then passenger are the cabin crew and not the other passengers who didn’t get involved.
 
While I don't condone what the abusive passenger did in any way, it was disgusting and he should have been thrown off the flight and arrested. Having seen the interviews yesterday on several breakfast shows with the guy who filmed the incident, he certainly seemed to be more than enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. I think he would of been more use to the lady being abused if he had stepped in to help her, it sounded to me like he had his own agenda especially when he added "if it had been a black man abusing a white woman the cabin crew would have acted differently" to me that's borderline racism in itself.
 
Big_G said:
While I don't condone what the abusive passenger did in any way, it was disgusting and he should have been thrown off the flight and arrested. Having seen the interviews yesterday on several breakfast shows with the guy who filmed the incident, he certainly seemed to be more than enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. I think he would of been more use to the lady being abused if he had stepped in to help her, it sounded to me like he had his own agenda especially when he added "if it had been a black man abusing a white woman the cabin crew would have acted differently" to me that's borderline racism in itself.
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I think he's probably correct!
 
RandG said:
Quite a number of years ago an old friend of mine intervened where a bloke was hitting his woman, which resulted in them both turning on him and her subsequently stamping on his face with her stiletto heel, that day a lesson was learnt by him and many others in which he told his story to.
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If you or a family member jumped and members of the public simply turned away and carried on as though nothing happened. How would you feel?

For me, if you are in a position to help. You should.

This was an old lady being abused. Pretty much everyone would have been more use in deterring the bloke than her.
 
JamesR said:
I think he's probably correct!
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I disagree with this. No past evidence to suggest it. There has been universal outrage over this incident, it has not been brushed under the carpet in the UK (although Ryannair are doing there best to avoid it)

Let me clarify before anyone miscontrues my comment. Clearly racism exists in this country. Clearly, there are parts of the country where young black males in particular are targeted by the police. I don't underestimate that and make no claim to understand what non whites endure at times in this country. I thought the comment made about 'what if the roles were reversed' didn't stand up though. No defence of what happened in any way. Hope that is clear.
 
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Not sure why Ryanair are coming out as bad guys in this

They do not choose their customers.


This man clearly has some kind of mental issues and needs professional help. Ryanair have a few cabin crew who work extremely hard, all they can do is pass on information of this incident to the police.
 
Dasit said:
Not sure why Ryanair are coming out as bad guys in this

They do not choose their customers.


This man clearly has some kind of mental issues and needs professional help. Ryanair have a few cabin crew who work extremely hard, all they can do is pass on information of this incident to the police.
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I've not seen the footage yet but I'm genuinely interested to know what clearly shows as mental health issues?
 
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