Question on Stroke Index

[GB72]

I need to seek the wisdom of the forum on what is probably a simple question.

My course has 3 loops of 9 all marked with stroke index 1-9. As I and the 2 people I enter comps with all play of 18 and as I have only entered medals anyway I have not had to ask how you work out the SI for a full 18. Next week is a drawn comp so I need to know.

My understanding is that you give the odd numbers to the front 9 (so SI 1 stays the same, SI 2 becomes 3 etc) and that the back 9 gets the even numbers on the same basis but can someone confirm that I am right.

And yes I know I should have asked about this at the club as soon as I joined.

 

[matriga]

Say you have 10 strokes, you'll have strokes on stroke index 1 to 5 on both nine holes

 

[GB72]

Say you have 10 strokes, you'll have strokes on stroke index 1 to 5 on both nine holes

But what if you have 11 strokes, do you get stroke 11 on SI 6 on the front or the back 9?

 

[Bigfoot]

The odd stroke is taken on the first nine.

 

[6inchcup]

the club should have cards marked out for stroke index used for comp purposes surly.

 

[GB72]

the club should have cards marked out for stroke index used for comp purposes surly.

Nope, competitions can be over any combination of pairs of 9 holes in any order so all the cards are marked with all 27 holes with each marked with SI 1-9

 

[pbrown7582]

The club should designate the SI for the 18 holes in play for the comp or do they use the same 2 nines for all comps?
And provided you with some indication of which way around the odds and evens are.

Edit edit.

There needs to be clear designation before hand for stableford/bogey comps as it will have a bearing on score, although for medal it doesn't matter. If its just the 1st nine you play is odd for example it can possible change for different players if they play the loops in different order and that can't be right?

 

[GB72]

They use all 3 nines and in varying orders so one week could be 1-18, the next could be 19-27 then 1-9. Keeps things interesting and also ensures that there are different loops of holes open to those who do not want to enter the comp.

 

[GreiginFife]

My club is made up of 3 loops of 9. two loops make up a "designated 18" which is used for comps, SI is decided on hole difficulty as would normally happen on an 18 hole course and the card for that designated 18 shows this. The spare 9 is casual and for people just rolling up and not wanting to compete. We have cards printed for each of the loops being used as the designated 18. Works very well.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

My club is made up of 3 loops of 9. two loops make up a "designated 18" which is used for comps, SI is decided on hole difficulty as would normally happen on an 18 hole course and the card for that designated 18 shows this. The spare 9 is casual and for people just rolling up and not wanting to compete. We have cards printed for each of the loops being used as the designated 18. Works very well.

Except SI shouldn't be decided on hole difficulty but we've done that to death.

In response to the OP, that sounds way too confusing but I would think your club should have SIs marked for each of the combinations of 18 holes

 

[rosecott]

Looking at your website it seems like holes 1-9 are the longest 9, holes 10-18 next longest and 19-27 the shortest. On that basis:
if you are playing1-18 the odd numbers should be on your front 9
if you are playing 10-27 the odd numbers should be on your front 9
if you are playing 1-9 and 19-27 the odd numbers should be on your front 9
If you play any of those combinations in the reverse order,the first 9 played should be the even numbers.


Simples.

 

[GB72]

Except SI shouldn't be decided on hole difficulty but we've done that to death.

In response to the OP, that sounds way too confusing but I would think your club should have SIs marked for each of the combinations of 18 holes

That could then become even more confusing as any loop of 9 could have a different stroke index depending on which other set of 9 it is played with.

To clarify, everyone starts a comp from the same hole so if we are playing 10-27 then everyone starts on 10.

As with many things, I am not going to be able to change anything at the club and I am just looking into whether there is a general rule to be applied (there must be something in place if, for no other reason, it would be needed by 9 hole courses to work out the SI for competions played over 18 holes). My searches on google suggest that the front 9 is always given the odd numbers and the back nine the even numbers and you work it from there but was just looking to check.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

That could then become even more confusing as any loop of 9 could have a different stroke index depending on which other set of 9 it is played with.

To clarify, everyone starts a comp from the same hole so if we are playing 10-27 then everyone starts on 10.

As with many things, I am not going to be able to change anything at the club and I am just looking into whether there is a general rule to be applied (there must be something in place if, for no other reason, it would be needed by 9 hole courses to work out the SI for competions played over 18 holes). My searches on google suggest that the front 9 is always given the odd numbers and the back nine the even numbers and you work it from there but was just looking to check.

It wouldn't be confusing if they had 3 18 hole cards printed, one for holes 1-18, one for 10 - 27 and one for 19-9 with SIs for each hole. Since SI shouldn't be based on difficulty they could be allocated according to which combination of holes you were playing.

 

[rosecott]

GB72

You worry too much. Your handicap is 18 so you get a shot a hole anyway!

 

[GB72]

GB72

You worry too much. Your handicap is 18 so you get a shot a hole anyway!

I know but next week I may be marking a card for someone who has not got a handicap of 18 so I want to know what I am doing. I will email the club during the week to be certain but your earlier reply sounds reasonable.

Out of interest, do you know how it does work for 9 hole courses when you play the same 9 holes and same 9 pins twice.

 

[rosecott]

I know but next week I may be marking a card for someone who has not got a handicap of 18 so I want to know what I am doing. I will email the club during the week to be certain but your earlier reply sounds reasonable.

Out of interest, do you know how it does work for 9 hole courses when you play the same 9 holes and same 9 pins twice.

As long as you record the correct gross scores, the rest is up to the committee - how's that for a cop-out!.

For 9-hole courses, the club has to allocate all 18 SI numbers - usually SI1 will be SI2 on the other 9 and so on. Most 9-hole courses either have 2 different tees for each hole or use the same tee and have 2 flags on each green (one yellow, say, and one red).

 

[GreiginFife]

Except SI shouldn't be decided on hole difficulty but we've done that to death.

Whatever, it was a wrong assumption on my part as to how it was worked out. I wasn't party to the decision.

 

[GB72]

As long as you record the correct gross scores, the rest is up to the committee - how's that for a cop-out!.

For 9-hole courses, the club has to allocate all 18 SI numbers - usually SI1 will be SI2 on the other 9 and so on. Most 9-hole courses either have 2 different tees for each hole or use the same tee and have 2 flags on each green (one yellow, say, and one red).

Thing is I am playing in a drawn team, better ball stapleford next week so it is important that I know how the system works so as I can work out shots per hole for how I may play in certain circumstances.

I know of one course that I have played (Sutton Bridge) that is 9 holes with 9 tees and 9 pin placements on any given day.

 

[rosecott]

Sutton Bridge, I know, has exactly the same 9 played twice but the scorecard has all the odd numbers on the front 9 and the evens on the back 9 - i.e. all the numbers 1-18 are used.

 

[Foxholer]

Congu guidance is to have odd SIs on hardest/longest 9 and even SIs on the other, so it may not be 'first 9, second 9;.

I've certainly seen paired scorecards for Princes and St Georges Hill, both of which have 3 loops of 9. On St Georges, Green changes from Evens to Odds, depending on which of the other courses it's played with - irrespective of order.

I'm certain that the question would have been raised t your club many times before, so simply ask.