Putts per round

[Junior]

I'm the streakyist of streaky putters. I'll either have a great day on the greens or a terrible one. More often than not its the latter. Its the most inconsistent part of my game by far !!!

 

[RGDave]

34. off 12....fine by me.

recently, I've sneaked in with less, including one round with 29 not so long ago.

29......and who said C/F was a waste of time......

IF YOU WANT TO BE A BAD GOLFER BUT A GOOD PUTTER, GO AND SPEND £30-40 ON A C/F NOT A NEW PUTTER.......

 

[Sneds]

Im not sure but I could make a rough guess but Im more concerned with putt length, difficulty of the read and the result, for example a 30' putt to the lip of the hole is 2 putts but a much better standard than a 6' putt going 3' passed the hole and just making the return off the lip because first you missed the putt and second you only just got a drop in. Putting stats can look cool sometimes but may not be that cool on the lawn.

My hope with putting is to always do it in two and no more (doesnt always work but I have far less 3 putts each year than most) I strive to get a good read on putts and pace.

I can take 30 putts in a round and think my putting was poor and I can take 36 and think it was great putting, it depends on the distance Im putting from and the difficulty of read.

So in those respects number stats mean little to me.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but this post caught my eye.

I think that all stats are pretty meaningless until the sample size grows. However, once your sample size is big enough I think it would be mistake to disregard statistics.

I understand that you could have one round where you putt very well, but have 36 putts and visa versa, but that's why you don't analyse stats after 2 rounds.

After you've played 50 rounds and have the putts/round figure in front of you, I'm sure you would have had good days and bad days, but that stat in front of you would be a good indicator of where your golf game is at and how it's improving.

 

[mono217]

32 putts on average.

 

[Herbie]

Im not sure but I could make a rough guess but Im more concerned with putt length, difficulty of the read and the result, for example a 30' putt to the lip of the hole is 2 putts but a much better standard than a 6' putt going 3' passed the hole and just making the return off the lip because first you missed the putt and second you only just got a drop in. Putting stats can look cool sometimes but may not be that cool on the lawn.

My hope with putting is to always do it in two and no more (doesnt always work but I have far less 3 putts each year than most) I strive to get a good read on putts and pace.

I can take 30 putts in a round and think my putting was poor and I can take 36 and think it was great putting, it depends on the distance Im putting from and the difficulty of read.

So in those respects number stats mean little to me.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but this post caught my eye.

I think that all stats are pretty meaningless until the sample size grows. However, once your sample size is big enough I think it would be mistake to disregard statistics.

I understand that you could have one round where you putt very well, but have 36 putts and visa versa, but that's why you don't analyse stats after 2 rounds.

After you've played 50 rounds and have the putts/round figure in front of you, I'm sure you would have had good days and bad days, but that stat in front of you would be a good indicator of where your golf game is at and how it's improving.

No doubt you will be surprised to know that I disagree simply because a poorly struck putt can bobble, hit the back of the hole and luckily drop in, also you could miss a 2' putt and have to sink another two footer to mark down two putts on your card (good putting stats???). If you have enough such putting in a round the stats will say one thing, the reality another. I do not need numerical listings to tell me how good or bad my putting is.
A player can have a stat average of 30 putts per round and to most people would look good on paper, yet how bad would that persons average look if he was GIR to with 2' of the pin on all 18 holes every time they played?... His putting would then be utter rubbish would it not? But the stats would say 'not too bad matey'

Finally, I dont think a few numbers over 50 rounds would tell me anywhere near as much about my putting as my own observations and assessment of my own putting.

Anyone can keep stats, and good luck to them, but they dont really offer anything more than a novel to the individuals imagination

 

[RGDave]

Anyone can keep stats, and good luck to them, but they dont really offer anything more than a novel to the individuals imagination

Oooh, go you!!

I don't keep exact stats, but I do know how many putts I've had in a round.

Although I'm putting well a.t.m. so much seems to depend on the other aspects of my/our game.

If I hit 10 greens, I'll take 38 putts if necessary.
If I've only hit a pathetic 2 or 3, I'm aiming for nearer 30!

I've played in a few comps recently where the pins have been almost illegal (2-3 paces from the edge) and on days like this, there's only so much you can do. I've missed a few greens on the "long" side (which is nice for a long chip n run) but when I know there is dropped-shots a plenty for going a few feet past (like running off the green completely) I play conservative and err on the short side.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

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Anyone can keep stats, and good luck to them, but they dont really offer anything more than a novel to the individuals imagination

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A tad glib in my opinion. I think statistics are an important aide in highlighting weaknesses. If you hit lots of GIR and then 3 putt it would tell me you have a putting issue. If you miss a lot of greens and take 3 or more to get down then you have a problem with the short game and to a degree with your approach play. I accept that if you are chipping close and holing putts the putting average will be lower but that is the idea, to take as few putts as possible. At the end of the day it depends how honest someone really is when recording the data. I am always 100% honest and if I'm on the fringe and three putt I'll record it as that.

If you don't record your figures then fine but please don't belittle us that do

 

[Herbie]

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Anyone can keep stats, and good luck to them, but they dont really offer anything more than a novel to the individuals imagination

If you hit lots of GIR and then 3 putt it would tell me you have a putting issue.

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But this is clearly one of the points against. if you hit every green in regulation and finished within 2 to 3 feet of the hole every single time then had a putting stat of 30, on paper it would look fine but in reality is absolutely awful and the stats in this respect would tell the reader zero about the putting standard.

And it is the putting standard that matters, not a series of unrealistic figures which at best are a record of success by luck or skill or how close you got to the flag to begin with.

Few of us are capable of Pro golf and even fewer of tour pro standard where consistancy level would make statistics more realistic and more accurate reading.

How many golfers over a year can remember how many of their putts were lucky, rubbish or perfection by looking at stats?

No, all they can tell you after a year of such records is a number and that number will excite their imagination .
With a bit of luck the odd one might be spot on.

Now although stats can be monitored and seen to improve and give individuals some confidence (which is great) the figures dont tell you how well you have putted, often its how well you have played to the green and how close you are to the flag.



Knowing how good or bad you really are will help you to maintain standard of putting on any course greens.(with the odd rare exception)

In ref to your opening comment...If you hit lots of GIR then three putt it would tell you of a putting issue!
How would it, if every GIR was on huge greens and only just on it each time where every first putt was 60 feet or more?

Unlikely yes but not impossible, but three putts for a huge number of golfers would not result in a putting issue if every first putt was that long, but it would be an issue if every first putt was 10 feet away, something the stats wont tell you.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if the putt was a beauty from 100 feet or did 15 loop the loops before going in. A putt is a putt. Do I take it you can recount every putt from a year ago because you don't keep records and therefore don't assign it to a so called unrealistic number in a software package?

In reference to hitting every green on a 60 yard green and still three putting, that would tell me that my club selection was wrong to not get it onto the correct third of the green (a proven asset of skycaddy and other GPS devices) and that I had a problem with distance control albeit from very long range where granted there would be a chance for some 3 putting.

You clearly have an issue with putting statistics and that is fine. Its your point of view but simply an opinion I don't share. I think SS2 is a valuable tool as does my coach who uses my monthly data to plan lessons and work on tips and drills depending on what he can clearly see are the weaknesses in my game.

 

[Herbie]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if the putt was a beauty from 100 feet or did 15 loop the loops before going in. A putt is a putt. Do I take it you can recount every putt from a year ago because you don't keep records and therefore don't assign it to a so called unrealistic number in a software package?

In reference to hitting every green on a 60 yard green and still three putting, that would tell me that my club selection was wrong to not get it onto the correct third of the green (a proven asset of skycaddy and other GPS devices) and that I had a problem with distance control albeit from very long range where granted there would be a chance for some 3 putting.

You clearly have an issue with putting statistics and that is fine. Its your point of view but simply an opinion I don't share. I think SS2 is a valuable tool as does my coach who uses my monthly data to plan lessons and work on tips and drills depending on what he can clearly see are the weaknesses in my game.

In answer to your first paragraph.....
I dont need to recount every putt Ive taken, I know when my putting is good or has been good throughout the year simply by the few occasions within a year that I do not 3 putt on any course where serious play is concerned. I dont need to remember a single long putt to know how good I am putting for similar reasons, nor do I need to know how well I am reading greens also for similar reasoning and I dont need numbers to tell me how I feel when Im putting, which for me is the most telling factor in my putting.
The results I have had in competitions tell me how well or how poorly I have played but the putting is an important factor. I know when my putting is not working well.
This year Ive done 2 medals, played for the team twice, played 3 friendly comps in different formats. Won all but the medals where one was crap golf the other poor golf but not a putting problem. Thats all I need to know, Im 3 up in comps, friendly or otherwise. If I finish the year out ahead I will be happy, thats how I am so how you can feel I have an issue with statistics when I dont give a stuff is beyond me. I simply give an opinion to whats presented before me and rarely start by stating how I feel about someones opinion or what I feel about the poster.


In your second paragraph you move away from the putting question altogeather and bring in other elements of your game that are not related to the question of the number of putts or how well they are putted.

I do not have any ISSUES with putting stats or any others, its always the stat favourers who raise the questions, critique or facetious comments and that normally suggests an issue. I honestly could not care less if you or anyone favours the statistic but if you are unable to accept open debate in an open forum on the subject then perhaps directing the question or criticism is not the thing to do?

 

[JustOne]

But this is clearly one of the points against. if you hit every green in regulation and finished within 2 to 3 feet of the hole every single time then had a putting stat of 30, on paper it would look fine but in reality is absolutely awful and the stats in this respect would tell the reader zero about the putting standard.

And it is the putting standard that matters, not a series of unrealistic figures which at best are a record of success by luck or skill or how close you got to the flag to begin with.

Few of us are capable of Pro golf and even fewer of tour pro standard where consistancy level would make statistics more realistic and more accurate reading.

How many golfers over a year can remember how many of their putts were lucky, rubbish or perfection by looking at stats?

No, all they can tell you after a year of such records is a number and that number will excite their imagination .
With a bit of luck the odd one might be spot on.

Now although stats can be monitored and seen to improve and give individuals some confidence (which is great) the figures dont tell you how well you have putted, often its how well you have played to the green and how close you are to the flag.



Knowing how good or bad you really are will help you to maintain standard of putting on any course greens.(with the odd rare exception)

In ref to your opening comment...If you hit lots of GIR then three putt it would tell you of a putting issue!
How would it, if every GIR was on huge greens and only just on it each time where every first putt was 60 feet or more?

Unlikely yes but not impossible, but three putts for a huge number of golfers would not result in a putting issue if every first putt was that long, but it would be an issue if every first putt was 10 feet away, something the stats wont tell you.

I agree, I'm not heavily into stats, especially putting stats, SCORES are what counts. If I 3-putt from 60ft then so be it, I know when I have putted badly.

If I kept any stats at all they would probably be how many par's or better in a round and how many greens in regulation. I don't count fairways hit either as a yard off the side normally means I'm still within a short iron of the dancefloor. Consistancy is more the key for me.
FWIW: I putted average today with 32 putts

 

[bobmac]

There are lots of threads about putting at the moment.
My favourite subject