hovis
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You must live in a shire low population area? The above is coming to met area's too!
You must live in a shire low population area? The above is coming to met area's too!
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As with cuts everywhere to emergency services and military etc I just hope it doesn't cost lives
With ambulance stations, police stations and fire stations being closed, there is an inevitability that someone somewhere will be injured or die because of response times but I've little doubt there will be public platitudes and nothing will change
That is quite true but the economy has had so many troughs recently that the attraction there is not so great. I am not one who says private = great, public = bad, but I really can't be doing with constant whingeing. There are pluses and minuses on both sides. The private sector salaries can be slightly higher, barely so now, but job security in the public sector far outstrips that in the private sector. When times are hard in the private sector you don't get 1% increases, you get made redundant.
You make your choice in work, take the career path you want but please don't bleat about it looking for sympathy. That is not a comment based on the posts made here but a general one.
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Certainly been a great amount of redundancies in the public sector over the last 4 years
And when times are hard no pay rises have been given whilst inflation rises
The numbers don't compare. Put in a private sector boss, ask him/her to balance the books at a council, public body etc and then watch the blood flow. What has occurred so far has just been skimming the surface. Painful for all concerned but still skimming. The public sector is still bloated and inefficient in too many areas. Not all but many. The bloodletting has already occurred in the private sector when the last recession started so those companies left are already pretty lean. Job security in the long term is one of the great benefits of the public sector.
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The Armed Forces has been gutted yet work load has increased
The ambulance service has been dramatically reduced but the need still increases
The police force has been gutted yet crime still increases
Fire stations closed
Hospital staff reduced whilst departments get closed
These are critical services that have been hit hard over the last 5 years - life saving services that aren't replaced
No sure there is job security in the public sector. When I joined the civil service in the early 80's it was seen as a job for life. Now we've had wards at the hospital closed. Admin jobs have been slashed and services stopped or reduced so from a hospital setting I don't agree that there is still security anymore
MadAdey
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Thanks to the firemen I did not have my leave taken away from me, but I actually lost money, about £8000 it was. Defence review with the new pay scheme was in the process of being implemented when I was back in training for 18 months. After that course I am meant to recieve a huge pay rise due to a change in job and responsibility levels. Because I left training late because of having to do fire fighting duties, I left after the new pay scheme was introduced.
So instead of graduating and getting my good wages, that would have transferred me onto pay level 9 when pay 2000 got introduced, I left under pay 2000 and was on level 5 wages. So public sector workers need to realise how their actions actually affect other peoples lives.
More money in the tax pot to pay them higher wages = higher taxes for all
Doon frae Troon
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Some interesting stuff on here.
All those folk saying that they have not had a pay rise for years must be telling porkies.
An NHS strike interview confirmed that an experienced midwife earned a basic £35k pa. [her reluctant words when questioned]
Compared to the 'average' I would say that she is well paid
As expected huge gap between London and the UK regions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom
All those folk saying that they have not had a pay rise for years must be telling porkies.
An NHS strike interview confirmed that an experienced midwife earned a basic £35k pa. [her reluctant words when questioned]
Compared to the 'average' I would say that she is well paid
As expected huge gap between London and the UK regions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom
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I have had one pay rise in the last 5 years - when I left the public sector to work in the private sector another pay rise is due
bluewolf
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Do you think that 35k is over the top for the people who deliver our children? I'm not claiming that it's a poor wage, but are you saying that a skilled profession such as midwifery should pay less? It also appears that you're saying that because they're already on a decent wage, then they shouldn't really expect a pay rise.. Does that logic transfer to all other "highly paid" professions?
Apologies if I've misinterpreted the tone of your post..
hovis
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I for one thought midwifes where over paid until my wife gave birth. These people are worth their weight in gold and do an amazing job. Bankers say " you have to pay big to get the best" i personly think 35k for a midwife is a steal. Oh and 35k is a senior midwife. My bosses wife just qualified on 28k
bluewolf
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I agree mate. We had an experienced Irish Midwife when my wife was admitted and our son was born 1 month prem. That woman made my life a misery for the 2 weeks my wife was in hospital. I wouldn't have changed a thing though.. I still flinch when I hear a strong Dublin accent..
Doon frae Troon
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I was quite surprised to find out that a midwife earned a 'basic' £35k, but perhaps I am a bit out of touch.
Not being judgemental, I believe most peoples jobs are important, from company chairman to grave digger.
How we value them and pay them is a different issue.
bluewolf
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Just my opinion, but I value a Midwife higher than most other professions earning substantially more.. And No, my wife isn't a midwife.
.. I wouldn't object to a substantial rise for Midwifes.. :thup:Doon frae Troon
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Would you pay your golf club head greenkeeper, professional or manager more than £28k ?
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Surely that would depend on the club and the job
Struggling to see the comparison or relevance
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Birchy
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Depends on many variables. I wouldn't value them jobs above a midwife though and I play golf regularly but have no kids.
In terms of your average members club I believe the only one of them worth more than 28k on average is the head greenkeeper. Just my opinion though, I have no salary figures to back that up.
