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SocketRocket said:
So do you suggest that State age pensions be taken away? People have paid NI for over 30 years for these pensions, what if your was not given to you? It's a bit like saying we should not pay any public sector pensions to save money!
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I most certainly am not suggesting that. I was using some of the more crass, cold and uninformed comments that have been made regarding the entire Public sector and highlighting how they could be used to attack the largest single cost to the taxpayer.. Yet no one is attacking the Pension costs.. No one is claiming that they are unaffordable...Strange..
 
bluewolf said:
I most certainly am not suggesting that. I was using some of the more crass, cold and uninformed comments that have been made regarding the entire Public sector and highlighting how they could be used to attack the largest single cost to the taxpayer.. Yet no one is attacking the Pension costs.. No one is claiming that they are unaffordable...Strange..
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Well I guess it's that just about everyone will get it and probably feel that we all need to look after our elderly. As I have previously said, I can see there are acceptable ways to reduce the cost.
 
SocketRocket said:
Well I guess it's that just about everyone will get it .
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Right, so you hypothesize that no one complains about the cost of pensions because they all will benefit from it. Ergo, People are complaining about the cost of the recommended pay rises for the Public Sector because they will not benefit from them...

So, in summary, you believe that it's jealousy? Not that they believe it's unaffordable? :D

Note, I appreciate that I have selectively quoted your post, but I can't really argue with the other 2 points..
 
bluewolf said:
Right, so you hypothesize that no one complains about the cost of pensions because they all will benefit from it. Ergo, People are complaining about the cost of the recommended pay rises for the Public Sector because they will not benefit from them...

So, in summary, you believe that it's jealousy? Not that they believe it's unaffordable? :D

Note, I appreciate that I have selectively quoted your post, but I can't really argue with the other 2 points..
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Your extrapolations are not really what I was suggesting. But: Hey Ho! I am getting used to people taking me out of context.
 
SocketRocket said:
Your extrapolations are not really what I was suggesting. But: Hey Ho! I am getting used to people taking me out of context.
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Maybe that's because you're not sure what your context is? Your post couldn't have been any clearer.. People don't moan about pensions because they benefit from them.. The only extrapolation possible is the one I made..

Anyhoo, this thread has actually been interesting and fun. not nearly as much pettiness and moaning as other threads..
 
bluewolf said:
Maybe that's because you're not sure what your context is? Your post couldn't have been any clearer.. People don't moan about pensions because they benefit from them.. The only extrapolation possible is the one I made..

Anyhoo, this thread has actually been interesting and fun. not nearly as much pettiness and moaning as other threads..
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Well, as long as they keep paying mine! I'm not biased mind you ;)
 
SocketRocket said:
Most people don't have time or energy to do a second job. I know a number of Firefighters that find time to run their own business We are all aware that they do a great job when called for and receive a very good package to do it but they do get a fair amount of time off, also it's not just about 'need' it's also about 'making money' just like greedy employers, bankers and MPs do.
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of the 48 fire fighters I work with one has a second job. he only has a second job because his ex wife took him to the cleaners and the £1580 he takes home a month doesn't cut it. to state that this is greed is nonsense. I have seen the poor bloke spend his last night shift on working job all night leave to stack shelf's at Tesco's. the second job thing finished for fire fighters when we lost our beds on station 7 years ago. now we are up all night

and as for a fair amount of time off....I work 45 hours per week. I am just about to finish my last night shift and go to bed. then I'm off for three days. not a great deal of time off i'd say considering I haven't seen my family in 4 days.
 
hovis said:
of the 48 fire fighters I work with one has a second job. he only has a second job because his ex wife took him to the cleaners and the £1580 he takes home a month doesn't cut it. to state that this is greed is nonsense. I have seen the poor bloke spend his last night shift on working job all night leave to stack shelf's at Tesco's. the second job thing finished for fire fighters when we lost our beds on station 7 years ago. now we are up all night

and as for a fair amount of time off....I work 45 hours per week. I am just about to finish my last night shift and go to bed. then I'm off for three days. not a great deal of time off i'd say considering I haven't seen my family in 4 days.
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Being off for three days isn't a bad deal at all when you consider most have just the two off
 
hovis said:
of the 48 fire fighters I work with one has a second job. he only has a second job because his ex wife took him to the cleaners and the £1580 he takes home a month doesn't cut it. to state that this is greed is nonsense. I have seen the poor bloke spend his last night shift on working job all night leave to stack shelf's at Tesco's. the second job thing finished for fire fighters when we lost our beds on station 7 years ago. now we are up all night

and as for a fair amount of time off....I work 45 hours per week. I am just about to finish my last night shift and go to bed. then I'm off for three days. not a great deal of time off i'd say considering I haven't seen my family in 4 days.
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How much time do you spend sleeping on those shifts?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Being off for three days isn't a bad deal at all when you consider most have just the two off
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Less than 3 off when working nights is no good at all. The first day off is spent in bed, the next 2 days are spent fighting jetlag so you can be part of a family, then you're back on shift.. I've worked nights for 8 years. The constant change in sleeping patterns causes numerous issues, not least of which is the impact it has on your health, with one survey quoting a decrease in life expectancy of up to 10 years.

Oh, and please don't be glib and say "get another job then". Some people have no option but to work nights. Jobs just aren't available on Days..
 
bluewolf said:
Less than 3 off when working nights is no good at all. The first day off is spent in bed, the next 2 days are spent fighting jetlag so you can be part of a family, then you're back on shift.. I've worked nights for 8 years. The constant change in sleeping patterns causes numerous issues, not least of which is the impact it has on your health, with one survey quoting a decrease in life expectancy of up to 10 years.

Oh, and please don't be glib and say "get another job then". Some people have no option but to work nights. Jobs just aren't available on Days..
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I have worked night shifts for over 20 years never really had jet lag issues - first day off I make sure I don't sleep past 12 or play golf in the morning then a nap in the afternoon
 
bluewolf said:
Less than 3 off when working nights is no good at all. The first day off is spent in bed, the next 2 days are spent fighting jetlag so you can be part of a family, then you're back on shift.. I've worked nights for 8 years. The constant change in sleeping patterns causes numerous issues, not least of which is the impact it has on your health, with one survey quoting a decrease in life expectancy of up to 10 years.

Oh, and please don't be glib and say "get another job then". Some people have no option but to work nights. Jobs just aren't available on Days..
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That explains a lot :D

To be fair working nights is a tough gig. Ive never done it but a mate of mine has and he is all over the place with it. Wide awake at night and tired in the day and just never feeling "right". I think it can really take its toll on people mentally and it wouldn't surprise me if theres high amount of people with depression off it etc.

He has no real option of getting another job as where he lives there isn't any civilisation for miles.

People in these jobs need to be looked after imo.
 
SocketRocket said:
How much time do you spend sleeping on those shifts?
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Liverpoolphil said:
I have worked night shifts for over 20 years never really had jet lag issues - first day off I make sure I don't sleep past 12 or play golf in the morning then a nap in the afternoon
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I never sleep past 11, too much to do in the day. A nap at about 6 sees me right. The Jetlag issues arise when on your first day off you have to get up to take the kids to school, or take them to football or ballet class. Days out with the family mean that you have to get up 3-4 hours earlier than usual. Your sleeping pattern means that you're not going to get to sleep till well after midnight, no matter how much you want to.. Any permanent night rota that contains only 2 nights off is unusual, and cannot be compared to a day rota..
 
I think pay rises should not be expected and taken as a bonus if one is awarded!

this is regardless of sector etc. If my cost of living goes up and no pay rise then I cut back on the luxuries to afford the necesseties.

Already cut back on mobile, car and sat tv (ok I get it free working for sky). I shop wisely and try not to splash out on things I want but dont need.

live to your means, if that involves cutting back then do so!
 
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