public sector pay protests

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I had my leave cancelled in 77 due to Fireman strike

I had my leave cancelled due to Bin men strike in 78/9

I had my leave cancelled due to Tanker Drivers strike in 79

I had my leave cancelled in 79 & 81 due to Ambulance strike

Good old James Callaghan and the Labour party (winter of discontent) were responsible, and on 2 occasions I had just finished a tour in NI and still wasn't allowed home and had to be on stand-by, I hate them all, irrelevant of their wants, because it was at the expense of mine!

The Falklands was a great distraction to the crap that was and had gone on over those few years where unions held the country to ransom, at least we got away from it all for a few months and did what we were properly trained for, not supporting winging civvies :angry:
 
Scouser said:
Not argumentative... But if people make stupid sweeping statements and then deny them... I feel it's polite to point the issue out when it is denied...
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Anyway it all boils down to the private sector being jealous of us well to do rich, money grabbing, plenty of holiday taking, 16 hour working week spoilt brats with a golden pension pot being jealous of us *















*Tongue firmly in cheek
 
Scouser said:
So now firemen are greedy because they work 2 jobs..... I wish people would just go on the dole fancy working two jobs and being described as greed... I had three jobs not so long ago... I must be an absolute disgrace
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I suggest you re-read it. I said:

"We are all aware that they do a great job when called for and receive a very good package to do it but they do get a fair amount of time off, also it's not just about 'need' it's also about 'making money' just like greedy employers, bankers and MPs do."

My point is that IMO the other jobs they do is not due to them being so poorly paid they 'Need' to do it. It's more because they want to earn more money, just like the other groups do that are held out as greedy by the general public. IMO, earning money is OK, if you work for it but dont make it sound like you are getting a poor deal.
 
SocketRocket said:
I suggest you re-read it. I said:

"We are all aware that they do a great job when called for and receive a very good package to do it but they do get a fair amount of time off, also it's not just about 'need' it's also about 'making money' just like greedy employers, bankers and MPs do."

My point is that IMO the other jobs they do is not due to them being so poorly paid they 'Need' to do it. It's more because they want to earn more money, just like the other groups do that are held out as greedy by the general public. IMO, earning money is OK, if you work for it but dont make it sound like you are getting a poor deal.
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Maybe they need the second job to ensure they are ok living ? as opposed to out of greed for more money - very judgemental.
 
SocketRocket said:
You just dont seem to, or want to follow my meaning, so not much point of me explaining it again
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You appear to be saying that fireman get a second job to gain more money not out of need but out of greed - is that wrong ?
 
SocketRocket said:
I suggest you re-read it. I said:

"We are all aware that they do a great job when called for and receive a very good package to do it but they do get a fair amount of time off, also it's not just about 'need' it's also about 'making money' just like greedy employers, bankers and MPs do."

My point is that IMO the other jobs they do is not due to them being so poorly paid they 'Need' to do it. It's more because they want to earn more money, just like the other groups do that are held out as greedy by the general public. IMO, earning money is OK, if you work for it but dont make it sound like you are getting a poor deal.
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"My point is that IMO the other jobs they do is not due to them being so poorly paid they 'Need' to do it. It's more because they want to earn more money, just like the other groups do that are held out as greedy by the general public. "

And again u call them greedy? And again deny it
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You appear to be saying that fireman get a second job to gain more money not out of need but out of greed - is that wrong ?
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Yes, it is. I said they do it for additional income and thats OK, but dont make out its because they are underpaid. The additional bit about Bankers and employers was that when they do it they are called greedy.
 
Scouser said:
I know... I still love u
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According to Berkshire fire service a trainee starts on Just under 22 and full firefighter not sure how long after that is is just under 30. A stay at home partner 2 kids... Not a lot to bring a family up on.... Admittedly 30 isn't bad but not a massive amount in the circumstances described
 
As I already said, a brand new qualified nurse on a band 5 agenda for change salary is £21,478. For someone coming off three years at university, that isn't a huge amount. Especially when you scan the local government jobs on offer in local councils around here and see that some office based jobs are offering £22,000. A disparity but both public sector jobs but which is really "value added"?
 
HomerJSimpson said:
As I already said, a brand new qualified nurse on a band 5 agenda for change salary is £21,478. For someone coming off three years at university, that isn't a huge amount. Especially when you scan the local government jobs on offer in local councils around here and see that some office based jobs are offering £22,000. A disparity but both public sector jobs but which is really "value added"?
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Hommer you at least need to expand on the office based job....
 
Scouser said:
"My point is that IMO the other jobs they do is not due to them being so poorly paid they 'Need' to do it. It's more because they want to earn more money, just like the other groups do that are held out as greedy by the general public. "

And again u call them greedy? And again deny it
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For the very final time. I am saying that its wrong to call any of these people Greedy, be they Firemen, bankers or companies. If you dont get it then I can't explain it any simpler.
 
SocketRocket said:
The tax they pay comes out of the money taken from private sector taxes that fund their services, it's not from increased GDP. Increased wages can only be funded from savings or increased tax.

Your guarded statement is probably referring to State Retirement Pensions. I would agree that savings could be made there in the form of reducing some benefits to better off pensioners. As the basic pension is tied to the number of years NI contributions then I cant see how that can be reduced other than cutting the supplementary top ups but thats a tough call on the lowest paid.
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The point I made, and you misunderstood, is that if Private sector wages are rising, then tax revenues from those Private sector tax payers are rising.. Therefore, there is money to pay the 1% rise that was recommended by an independent body..

And yes, I was referring to Pensions. The single largest drain on the economy.. Maybe they should go out and get a job? I know several pensioners.. Loads of time off.. Always at the golf club.. Driving their Ford Focus at 25mph through the country.. Blah, blah, blah.. Guaranteed Pension increase based on the average wage increase or CPI.. Whichever is higher... Maybe the Public sector just need a better pressure group..
 
bluewolf said:
The point I made, and you misunderstood, is that if Private sector wages are rising, then tax revenues from those Private sector tax payers are rising.. Therefore, there is money to pay the 1% rise that was recommended by an independent body..

And yes, I was referring to Pensions. The single largest drain on the economy.. Maybe they should go out and get a job? I know several pensioners.. Loads of time off.. Always at the golf club.. Driving their Ford Focus at 25mph through the country.. Blah, blah, blah.. Guaranteed Pension increase based on the average wage increase or CPI.. Whichever is higher... Maybe the Public sector just need a better pressure group..
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So do you suggest that State age pensions be taken away? People have paid NI for over 30 years for these pensions, what if yours was not given to you? It's a bit like saying we should not pay any public sector pensions to save money!

I agree that savings could be made with Winter fuel allowances, Free TV licenses and bus passes for the better off. Many pensioners are poor though, it's not easy living on £100 a week.
 
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