Val
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I'm glad your English too
Proud to be British...what does this mean?
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I'm glad your English too
As others have said, "I'm English and proud to be so." I'm also very privileged to have some great friends from elsewhere in the UK and Ireland. Do I feel the same affinity towards my friends from Europe...? I'm proud to be British, and to feel that affinity with others in the UK.
DaveM
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I'm English born in England. I alway cross out British on forms and put English down. But I am happy also to be part of great Britain.
Just as an aside it always amuses me when people of Irish, Welsh, Indian, or any other country of family origin. But who were born and bred in England and have never been to the other country. Say they are from there and not English! Sorry no disrespect meant just amusement and I love to have a dig at them as well.
Just as an aside it always amuses me when people of Irish, Welsh, Indian, or any other country of family origin. But who were born and bred in England and have never been to the other country. Say they are from there and not English! Sorry no disrespect meant just amusement and I love to have a dig at them as well.
bladeplayer
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Aztecs27
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Liverbirdie
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To turn it on it's head slightly, how do you define yourself, off the top of my head and without much forethought:-
1. Scouse - defo no.1.
2. My footy team
3. British
4. English
5. Catholic
6. Champagne socialist
7. White, and used to have freckles.
I define myself as European, only when the ryder cup is on. I dont see myself much as a "northerner" although from the north, obviously. Great grandparents were possibly from Ireland, but dont buy into all that Faux-irish thing that loads of others buy into.
The missus has a friend who, whilst born in England, has a faux support via familial heritage with Wales, Scotland and Ireland, and normally supports any of them when in a sporting environment against England.
I think one of the reasons it is "sexier" to be from the gaelic nations, is due to English oppression over the centuries. Also, from reading lots of history books and magazines, it is plainly obvious that most British history is written from a Anglo-centric and London point of view. I am proud to be British, as I think that what we all achieved together as a United Kingdom was massive, although obviously some very sinister parts as well.
How do you define yourself, religion, colour,race,birth country,non-birth country, politics, region, star trek language?
Blue touch paper is lit....
1. Scouse - defo no.1.
2. My footy team
3. British
4. English
5. Catholic
6. Champagne socialist
7. White, and used to have freckles.
I define myself as European, only when the ryder cup is on. I dont see myself much as a "northerner" although from the north, obviously. Great grandparents were possibly from Ireland, but dont buy into all that Faux-irish thing that loads of others buy into.
The missus has a friend who, whilst born in England, has a faux support via familial heritage with Wales, Scotland and Ireland, and normally supports any of them when in a sporting environment against England.
I think one of the reasons it is "sexier" to be from the gaelic nations, is due to English oppression over the centuries. Also, from reading lots of history books and magazines, it is plainly obvious that most British history is written from a Anglo-centric and London point of view. I am proud to be British, as I think that what we all achieved together as a United Kingdom was massive, although obviously some very sinister parts as well.
How do you define yourself, religion, colour,race,birth country,non-birth country, politics, region, star trek language?
Blue touch paper is lit....
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DCB
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It'll be interesting to see just how many actually do want to go it alone if and when wee Eck gets the question asked in a manner that gives him the best chance.
I don't think the numbers for it will be as large as some people think
sJoe
Assistant Pro
Welsh through and through, born and bred as they say, but still proud to be British..
Cymraeg i'r carn, anwyd ac a fagwyd fel y maent yn ei ddweud, ond yn dal yn falch o fod yn Brydeinig.
Cymraeg i'r carn, anwyd ac a fagwyd fel y maent yn ei ddweud, ond yn dal yn falch o fod yn Brydeinig.
DaveM
Tour Winner
Proud to be a born&bred Lancastrian. Nuff said (old boundarys that is, Not how that woman changed them).
JustOne
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What was that then?
United? I don't think so..... not sure what is united about a Welsh Assembly and a Scottish parliament.
We are an ISLAND and we should be ONE COUNTRY... and that should probably includes Ireland. Just blanketing a name such as UK or Great Britain doesn't make them united.... that's like saying Chelsea and Man U are "Top 5" and should therefore be buddies.
bladeplayer
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Just wondering why you think that ? not saying its a good or bad thing , in fairness the mess our lot are making of this country we possibly couldnt be any worse off anyhow , ha
JustOne
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If you are not joined then you want to remain what exactly?...independant? something different? something special? What is Irish? How do you define it.... is it a religion thing? something to do with tradition? something from the past? I don't want to be English just because we used to burn witches or send people to 'the Tower'.
I don't want England to be independant from Ireland, Scotland or Wales.. why should it be? makes no sense whatsoever... unless you want to hold on to something you think is important instead of thinking FORWARDS.
I don't want England to be independant from Ireland, Scotland or Wales.. why should it be? makes no sense whatsoever... unless you want to hold on to something you think is important instead of thinking FORWARDS.
Liverbirdie
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The industrial revolution for one, sanitation, thousands of inventions, trade unionism, pensions and working class improvements and education, literature, our language, sports, magna carta forming the basis for human rights.
The phrase was used in the past tense.
I think the main reason Ireland has not felt part of the Uk is due to religious harassment by many Kings/Queens over many centuries and their religion is a major part of how they have been defined. I think it is still against the law in the UK for a Catholic to be the monarch or the prime minister, even nowadays.
bladeplayer
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Well we are independant ,no we are nothing special . What is Irish ? wel without breaking into history & 1916 etc its an independance our grandparents fought for , & i guess we owe it to them to strive to maintain it , so you are probably right in it being a thing fom the past , Living in the past is not a good thing tho ..
mind you in saying that , what they would make of the clowns that have been running the country is anyone guess ,
I can see positives for us of it all being one ,in financial & business terms.. but one massive negative would be military wise , i do not in any way want to be disrespectful to any member of the british military alive or passed on but i see our neutrality as a good thing (just a personal opinion) from the outside i think your government are too quick to please the americans & send your troops to fight wars that are not necessiarly their war to fight , (again just my opinion)
I dont think England would want Ireland to be part of the UK , mainly because it would be of no benifit to the UK ,
I cant explain Irish over British or English but you got to admit Irish , Scotish & Welsh abroad are for some unknown reason looked upon more favourably than if you are English .. i do believe this is not fiar as you should be judged as an individual rather than the country you were born in
mind you in saying that , what they would make of the clowns that have been running the country is anyone guess ,
I can see positives for us of it all being one ,in financial & business terms.. but one massive negative would be military wise , i do not in any way want to be disrespectful to any member of the british military alive or passed on but i see our neutrality as a good thing (just a personal opinion) from the outside i think your government are too quick to please the americans & send your troops to fight wars that are not necessiarly their war to fight , (again just my opinion)
I dont think England would want Ireland to be part of the UK , mainly because it would be of no benifit to the UK ,
I cant explain Irish over British or English but you got to admit Irish , Scotish & Welsh abroad are for some unknown reason looked upon more favourably than if you are English .. i do believe this is not fiar as you should be judged as an individual rather than the country you were born in
JustOne
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Isn't it pathetic that in the 'modern world' it all comes down to FIGHTING.
Liverbirdie
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Actually there is two main islands, and even the other one is still split.
Countries like Haiti are one half of one island, and they are still split. Not saying it's right or wrong.
The thing is, Ireland still remained mainly Catholic, when the rest of the Uk where either Protestant/Calvinist/Presbyterian which is the one of the main reasons it wanted to be independent.
The first nationalists who wanted independence where actually Irish based Protestants, ex Uk pats.
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I am not seeing why,seeing as we are an Island,we should be one??
If that's the thinking behind it hell why not just join the whole of Europe together as one too.:mmm:
If that's the thinking behind it hell why not just join the whole of Europe together as one too.:mmm:
bladeplayer
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There are times to fight & defend whats important & whats right , there are times to stay out of it , this could end up being a very emotive issue for some so i wont go deeper into my own beliefs on this because as i am irish it does not affect me or my family currently ..
bladeplayer
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dont think that experiment is working too well for us Alan :angry:
Ethan
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Was that because the term 'Great' Britain was deemed to be an oxymoron?
Great simply means the big part as compared to the smaller part, now Brittany in France.
