Professional Golf 2024 & 2025

Mel Smooth said:
Which one is better comes down to personal taste doesn't it?

My first point on this thread today on was to congratulate Tommy, it was indeed a fantastic and well deserved win, but in terms of drama, the LIV event provided much more.
Both great events in their own right for different reasons. (y)
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Is it still drama when the vast majority don't care about the outcome though? 😂 Whereas you'd be hard-pushed to find a golf fan that wasn't invested in Tommy's victory.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Always makes me laugh when people criticise others for making choices based on money.
Golfers & footballers in particular.
Like they wouldn’t do the same given the chance.
It’s generational wealth.
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No that's fundamentally incorrect. People make choices. Not everyone prioritises money. Plenty of other considerations like location, family, friends, culture, opportunity, development.

I don't begrudge people choosing cash first, but for most people I believe other considerations are more important.
 
Stayed off this thread over the weekend. Awesome to see Tommy finally cross the line. Tee shot on the par 3 15th was massive... I know he made bogey but it was a good swing and he kept it dry. After that he looked composed for the last 3 holes. Obviously helped that nobody went on a birdie run to really push him.

So glad for him. Well deserved.
 
sunshine said:
No that's fundamentally incorrect. People make choices. Not everyone prioritises money. Plenty of other considerations like location, family, friends, culture, opportunity, development.

I don't begrudge people choosing cash first, but for most people I believe other considerations are more important.
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I fundamentally disagree.

On scale alone, since most are never going to be offered the amounts in question, if working people were offered the opportunity to treble or quadruple their earnings whilst still doing the same task in broadly similar surroundings they would jump at the opportunity.

Average working person on say £35,000 p.a. is very unlikely to decline £120,000 p.a. to do the same job.
 
Starter said:
I fundamentally disagree.

On scale alone, since most are never going to be offered the amounts in question, if working people were offered the opportunity to treble or quadruple their earnings whilst still doing the same task in broadly similar surroundings they would jump at the opportunity.

Average working person on say £35,000 p.a. is very unlikely to decline £120,000 p.a. to do the same job.
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I give you....Justin Rose....
 
Starter said:
I fundamentally disagree.

On scale alone, since most are never going to be offered the amounts in question, if working people were offered the opportunity to treble or quadruple their earnings whilst still doing the same task in broadly similar surroundings they would jump at the opportunity.

Average working person on say £35,000 p.a. is very unlikely to decline £120,000 p.a. to do the same job.
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The problem is we are not talking the average person.

If you are a top player you are going to make serious money whichever tour you choose.

If you gave Rory the choice of £10 million or winning another Major I think he would take the major as he has the money already.

Give the same choice to an average tour player and it’s a much harder decision.

Give it to a player struggling to keep their card or trying to get onto tour then it’s probably the money.
 
Starter said:
One very wealthy golfer hardly disproves my assumption regarding ordinary working people.
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It’s always very hard to use the man in street when looking at the choices a professional sports man makes

But as an ordinary man when I left the military I had a number of options

Working in the Middle East was on

On the rigs was another

F1 was another

All three meant being away from family for extended periods

I took a job that paid lower but kept me with my family 365 days a year

Same again when offered something 5 years ago in the Middle East
 
Starter said:
I fundamentally disagree.

On scale alone, since most are never going to be offered the amounts in question, if working people were offered the opportunity to treble or quadruple their earnings whilst still doing the same task in broadly similar surroundings they would jump at the opportunity.

Average working person on say £35,000 p.a. is very unlikely to decline £120,000 p.a. to do the same job.
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Not sure I agree. Whilst I agree that the guys starting out in the game taking the money are being smart as they’re guaranteeing their futures.

For people already establish in life with an income and other considerations there’s a lot more to it than the cash. I can go elsewhere and earn quite a bit more, problem is the pay as great as it would be to earn more I would lose out massively elsewhere.

I’m yet to find a job that will give me as much leave entitlement as I have now. At base level I get 6–7weeks a year, realistically I get nearer 3 months a year off work, what with my normal leave entitlement, extra weeks I get at home due to covering certain on call duties and additional leave I get from going away.

That alone is one of the reasons I’ve stayed doing what I do for so long and will continue to do so for the next few years until I hit the enforced change of career that will come. I’m not willing to lose all that extra time at home and with family for any money and it’s going to be a huge change for me when it comes. That’s worth more than any money in the back to me at the moment.

So whilst at its base level many will take the money it’s not always that simple.
 
Lucifer MorningStar said:
Not sure I agree. Whilst I agree that the guys starting out in the game taking the money are being smart as they’re guaranteeing their futures.

For people already establish in life with an income and other considerations there’s a lot more to it than the cash. I can go elsewhere and earn quite a bit more, problem is the pay as great as it would be to earn more I would lose out massively elsewhere.

I’m yet to find a job that will give me as much leave entitlement as I have now. At base level I get 6–7weeks a year, realistically I get nearer 3 months a year off work, what with my normal leave entitlement, extra weeks I get at home due to covering certain on call duties and additional leave I get from going away.

That alone is one of the reasons I’ve stayed doing what I do for so long and will continue to do so for the next few years until I hit the enforced change of career that will come. I’m not willing to lose all that extra time at home and with family for any money and it’s going to be a huge change for me when it comes. That’s worth more than any money in the back to me at the moment.

So whilst at its base level many will take the money it’s not always that simple.
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And it might only rain for 5 weeks of that, result! :p ☺️
 
Starter said:
I fundamentally disagree.

On scale alone, since most are never going to be offered the amounts in question, if working people were offered the opportunity to treble or quadruple their earnings whilst still doing the same task in broadly similar surroundings they would jump at the opportunity.

Average working person on say £35,000 p.a. is very unlikely to decline £120,000 p.a. to do the same job.
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You're adding in a massive caveat that everything remains the same. The reality is that most things are different... that's why the cash incentive is so large.

For example, I think most people in the UK would turn down the chance to double or triple their salary to do the same job in Saudi.
 
sunshine said:
You're adding in a massive caveat that everything remains the same. The reality is that most things are different... that's why the cash incentive is so large.

For example, I think most people in the UK would turn down the chance to double or triple their salary to do the same job in Saudi.
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But nobody, including LIV golfers, is being asked to do their job in Saudi.

The tour visits the kingdom once a year and for example DP World Tour visits countries with equally suspect human rights records several times.
 
Arthur Wedge said:
It’s always very hard to use the man in street when looking at the choices a professional sports man makes

But as an ordinary man when I left the military I had a number of options

Working in the Middle East was on

On the rigs was another

F1 was another

All three meant being away from family for extended periods

I took a job that paid lower but kept me with my family 365 days a year

Same again when offered something 5 years ago in the Middle East
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But what was the multiple of the difference in salaries?

And the LIV players are not spending anymore time apart from their families than if they had remained on the PGA or DP World Tours.
 
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