Pin-seeker
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That’s fine Phil,was great to see Tommy win.
If you have no interest in LIV that’s also fine.
There are multiple golf tours
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If you have no interest in LIV that’s also fine.
There are multiple golf tours
Arthur Wedge
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Yep LIV players are still playing their way into the Ryder Cup but it’s getting smaller with the likes of Rahm relying on a pick
Bob Mac went to LIV at the start of 2024 after earning his card through the DP
He used that to propel himself further - he won on the PGAT last year and just kept going up and up challenging for majors , being in the top ten in the world taking that tour card on the PGAT gave him that platform
Bob Mac over the last 18 months has just gone through the roof to being one of the best - he was ranked in the 70’s when he moved over
That’s the same sort of trajectory that McKibben could have taken if he had taken up his tour card this year
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
I actually think he plays upto it now.
I actually like him.
Pin-seeker
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But he chose not to,it’s his choice & im sure he’s happy with HIS choice
Arthur Wedge
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Playing the Ryder cup doesn’t set you and your entire family up for life though whereas playing Liv does. 22 year old lads makes millions of dollars and then still has time later on to look at what he wants from Majors and the Ryder cup.
I’m non plussed about Liv if it’s on I’ll watch it but don’t wouldn’t go out of my way to I’ve even criticised it on here. But if I were good enough and young enough and someone said to me there is a chance in your career you might win a major and play RC or I can guarantee you that you will make millions playing Liv regardless I know where I’m heading.
End of the day stories and trophies don’t pay for life but a shed load of cash will.
Horses for course there will always be those for and against , but Liv is there to stay so maybe we should all take another look who knows
Don’t get me wrong when it comes to setting someone up for life then LIV is going to give someone the finances to do that - the level of money on offer regardless of performance is for many life changing - you can fully understand why a young player would take that money on offer
Guess you can look at the players that go to the Saudi football league - either earn the big bucks they offer or earn less but play in the bigger comps
As for here to stay - will all come down to finances and how much PIF will continue to stand it up
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Playing the Ryder cup doesn’t set you and your entire family up for life though whereas playing Liv does. 22 year old lads makes millions of dollars and then still has time later on to look at what he wants from Majors and the Ryder cup.
I’m non plussed about Liv if it’s on I’ll watch it but don’t wouldn’t go out of my way to I’ve even criticised it on here. But if I were good enough and young enough and someone said to me there is a chance in your career you might win a major and play RC or I can guarantee you that you will make millions playing Liv regardless I know where I’m heading.
End of the day stories and trophies don’t pay for life but a shed load of cash will.
Horses for course there will always be those for and against , but Liv is there to stay so maybe we should all take another look who knows
I agree with what you say except for the final paragraph.
The Saudis have a record of dropping projects or significantly cutting back on them if they aren't working out.
LIV golf will be no different and could be subject to "review", particularly if there are certain political decisions made by the country's leaders.
Arthur Wedge
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Mentally some of the players are machines - Woods was a perfect example of someone who was prob the strongest in the mind as well as how good he was swinging a club - many golfers prob thought they were beaten as soon as he teed up
Fleetwood imo has learned so much about himself over the last 2 months , the way he talks after every event where he has come close speaks huge volumes and you could see last night he built on those near misses , he bounced back a number of times from dropping shots to hit a birdie on the next hole
IMO he will win a major next year
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
In that case then make money while you can and worry about the rest later
Mel Smooth
Hacker
It's growth is exponential at the moment - they are regularly announcing new partners. If you are thinking of investing in a golf tour - LIV is now an absolute solid choice - particularly for brands with a global identity. There's no way dropping the investment is on the radar from the PIF in the foreseeable.
Arthur Wedge
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Do you know how much has been invested into LIV outside PIF and any Saudi Partners ?
At last count it was £5billion from PIF with £1bn alone this year
The revenue earned in 2024 was around £80mil
Brands will still be looking at how much eyes on the tour gets
There are announcements of partners but no details on how much that partnership is worth
Can we not go down this route again please. It's been done many times before and isn't the point of this particular thread.
irip
Head Pro
And managed to put this in the wrong thread.9 holes this afternoon with a mate and his 2 boys. Just at the local muni. They been down the range during school holidays and wanted to try a proper course.
Pretty much only people out there meant we didn’t need to rush and no pressure on the lads.
They both scored 62 although we let them off a couple of air shots each but more importantly they both want another bash.
A few beers after for us and coke and burgers for the lads in the pub up the road.
Great way to waste a few hours.
Oh and for anyone interested I played like a prat
Very reminiscent of my golf today
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I genuinely see no reason to share your blind optimism and I am not anti-LIV .
I suggest you look a little more closely at Saudi domestic politics and the effect it could have upon continued support for the tour.
The Squirrel
Well-known member
Looking at what has happened to so many projects like Neom (scaled back from 100+ miles to, er, 1 mile
) and the fact the Saudi government is running a pretty significant deficit every year, it’s a valid thought. Saudi can’t keep plugging holes by selling more of Aramco forever. Will probably take a 2016 or 2020 oil price drop to really shake things out though; at that stage it’s probably curtains - but who knows when that is; trying to predict when the next one of those will be is a mug’s game.fenwayrich
Assistant Pro
I find it a little sad that, after one of the best tournaments this year in terms the winner being a top player and thoroughly decent bloke who finally conquered a few demons (and is British to boot), the main argument on this thread remains 'which is better, the PGA Tour or LIV.' I'm as anti-LIV as the next man, despise it with a passion, but if you LIV lovers watched yesterday afternoon's gripping finale (if that indeed is what it was, I wouldn't know), that's fine. Explain what made the event so exciting. Each to their own. But the arguments and counter arguments are utterly tedious.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Which one is better comes down to personal taste doesn't it?
My first point on this thread today on was to congratulate Tommy, it was indeed a fantastic and well deserved win, but in terms of drama, the LIV event provided much more.
Both great events in their own right for different reasons.
Arthur Wedge
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Pin-seeker
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Struggling to remember a more popular winner.
Hopefully he’s got many more now that the monkey is off his back.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I played really well gross =0.00
Tommy played well = $10.000,000
How is that fair.
irip
Head Pro
Maybe you should join Liv instead of trying to get into the Ryder cupI played really well gross =0.00
Tommy played well = $10.000,000
How is that fair.