Mel Smooth
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Strokeplay on the final day.
McKibbin is 22 whereas Bob Mac is 29 - and he's not good enough for the Ryder Cup yet - when he is, he'll get in.
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Strokeplay on the final day.
McKibbin is 22 whereas Bob Mac is 29 - and he's not good enough for the Ryder Cup yet - when he is, he'll get in.
Why would he be challenging Bob Mac in this scenario.
Bob Mac was always making the team, he's improved year on year and is a tough competitor.
McKibbin is nowhere near that level yet.
Arthur Wedge
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Bob Mac went to the PGAT when he was given the opportunity and took it with both hands
Tom McKibben earned the same opportunity - go to the PGAT and open the same doors that Bob Mac did
Mel Smooth
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Let's remind ourselves that McKibbin was 10th (or last place) in the qualification places for the PGAT.
Those that finished above him listed below, along with their data golf rankings from the start of the year to current.
Rasmus Hojgaard 52nd from 34th
18 places
Thriston Lawrence 170th from 81st 89 places
Paul Waring 384th from 146th 238 places
Jesper Svensonn 93rd from 159th
66 places
Niklas Norgaard 138th from 122nd16 places
Matteo Manassero 163rd from 143rd 20 places
Thorbjorn Olesen 81st from 50th 31 places
Antoine Rozner 164th from 133rd 31 places
Rikuya Hoshino 212th from 186th 28 places
Tom McKibbin 98th from 130th 32 places
Hojgaard is 2 years older than McKibbin, and has obviously just qualified for the Ryder Cup. McKibbin is ahead of Hojgaards ranking when he was the same age by about 40 places, so realistically, we'd be expecting Tom to be in the Ryder Cup team selection debate at the next event in 2027.
Is there an argument that the PGAT has opened doors for the other players in that list?
Those that finished above him listed below, along with their data golf rankings from the start of the year to current.
Rasmus Hojgaard 52nd from 34th
18 places Thriston Lawrence 170th from 81st
89 placesPaul Waring 384th from 146th
238 placesJesper Svensonn 93rd from 159th
66 placesNiklas Norgaard 138th from 122nd
16 placesMatteo Manassero 163rd from 143rd
20 placesThorbjorn Olesen 81st from 50th
31 placesAntoine Rozner 164th from 133rd
31 placesRikuya Hoshino 212th from 186th
28 placesTom McKibbin 98th from 130th
32 placesHojgaard is 2 years older than McKibbin, and has obviously just qualified for the Ryder Cup. McKibbin is ahead of Hojgaards ranking when he was the same age by about 40 places, so realistically, we'd be expecting Tom to be in the Ryder Cup team selection debate at the next event in 2027.
Is there an argument that the PGAT has opened doors for the other players in that list?
A quick Google suggests McKibbin has made $8m this season. Tough to argue he didn't make the right choice at his age. Two more seasons with similar results and he is set for life and he can do whatever he wants, pressure free. Still at a young age
Pin-seeker
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Always makes me laugh when people criticise others for making choices based on money.
Golfers & footballers in particular.
Like they wouldn’t do the same given the chance.
It’s generational wealth.
pokerjoke
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Fantastic finish from Tommy this time, and great to see him smile at the finish, he knows it’s only one comp and he has many more massive days ahead.
Watched the Liv team highlights this morning and certainly felt the tension.
A great weekend of golf
Watched the Liv team highlights this morning and certainly felt the tension.
A great weekend of golf
Arthur Wedge
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Let's remind ourselves that McKibbin was 10th (or last place) in the qualification places for the PGAT.
Those that finished above him listed below, along with their data golf rankings from the start of the year to current.
Rasmus Hojgaard 52nd from 34th
Thriston Lawrence 170th from 81st
Paul Waring 384th from 146th
Jesper Svensonn 93rd from 159th
Niklas Norgaard 138th from 122nd
Matteo Manassero 163rd from 143rd
Thorbjorn Olesen 81st from 50th
Antoine Rozner 164th from 133rd
Rikuya Hoshino 212th from 186th
Tom McKibbin 98th from 130th
Hojgaard is 2 years older than McKibbin, and has obviously just qualified for the Ryder Cup. McKibbin is ahead of Hojgaards ranking when he was the same age by about 40 places, so realistically, we'd be expecting Tom to be in the Ryder Cup team selection debate at the next event in 2027.
Is there an argument that the PGAT has opened doors for the other players in that list?
Well the doors have been opened - the players still have to walk through them
The data golf rankings im not sure what relevance they have at the end of the day
But is the suggestion that McKibben isn’t good enough to compete on the PGAT against the top players in the game ?
Arthur Wedge
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Oh money wise then getting the guaranteed money in the pocket is a no brainer , he would have need to win tournaments on the PGAT to get that level of money
But look at the likes of Harry Hill and of course BobMac who have taken the chance on the PGAT
Pin-seeker
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Fair play to him,like you say it’s guaranteed money for playing golf
pokerjoke
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What are the odds now of winning a PGA event.
The odds of winning a Liv event
And of course the odds of winning a major, I mean it took Rory 50 attempts.
There are 2 tours so take your pick,both now offer similar purses.
Both now can play in majors,so it really comes down to preference.
I would say Liv by far has the best characters, and for me is my preference.
However golf is golf so I enjoy watching all golf.
The odds of winning a Liv event
And of course the odds of winning a major, I mean it took Rory 50 attempts.
There are 2 tours so take your pick,both now offer similar purses.
Both now can play in majors,so it really comes down to preference.
I would say Liv by far has the best characters, and for me is my preference.
However golf is golf so I enjoy watching all golf.
Pin-seeker
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Mel Smooth
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Well I can't use the OWGR rankings Phil, they are null and void once you bring players into the equation that aren't playing on the PGAT - so I'm using them to show if players have improved once they have moved on from the DPWT.
I'm not sure where I've suggested McKibbin isn't good enough to compete on the PGAT - I'm simply saying joining LIV has been beneficial to him when you compare to those players that finished ahead of him on the DPWT.
Arthur Wedge
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So back to the original point - beneficial in terms of money in the pocket but balanced out by missing out on chances to play in the Ryder Cup and challenging in majors in the same way Bob Mac did after he gained entry into the PGAT
They have a choice to balance out
Mel Smooth
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What can I say mate, McKibbin said he has no regrets and that he's loving learning from the likes of Rahm and Hatton. Who knows, maybe if Bob Mac had been given a LIV opportunity at a young age, had that been possible, he'd be an even better golfer now than he currently is. We really don't know do we?
The PGAT has had it's day in the sun as far as dominating men's professional golf goes, and young players now have some great, expanded opportunities to find a way to earn a good living in the game. I say that's good for them, and great for the game.
Liv players will still be in the Ryder Cup team so it doesn't exclude them. He is also young enough to cross over to the PGA at some point if he wishes to.
You're comparing him and his career to golfers a good few years older than him. It's not really an accurate comparison.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Playing the Ryder cup doesn’t set you and your entire family up for life though whereas playing Liv does. 22 year old lads makes millions of dollars and then still has time later on to look at what he wants from Majors and the Ryder cup.
I’m non plussed about Liv if it’s on I’ll watch it but don’t wouldn’t go out of my way to I’ve even criticised it on here. But if I were good enough and young enough and someone said to me there is a chance in your career you might win a major and play RC or I can guarantee you that you will make millions playing Liv regardless I know where I’m heading.
End of the day stories and trophies don’t pay for life but a shed load of cash will.
Horses for course there will always be those for and against , but Liv is there to stay so maybe we should all take another look who knows
Pin-seeker
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Phil it’s just a golf tour.
More to life than stressing over it arguing the toss & & making the same points over & over & over again.
Just dont watch it
The suns out
Arthur Wedge
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It’s a very bold statement and certainly far from being anywhere near a certainty
The reach of the respective events yesterday will see Fleetwood as the main headline this morning
At this stage it’s still just the financially incentive when it comes to LIV
Burnsey
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I do think the best players generally manage the game mentally.
Scotty hits a bad shot, but his next can be world class. He struggled off the tea this week, but made up for it elsewhere.
Tommy had a wobble at the turn and it seemed to stick with him for three holes.
I do the same, one bad hole and the next few are the same. Not comparing lol, but it does seem to play a part.
Then there's Hatton, who is angry constantly.
Scotty hits a bad shot, but his next can be world class. He struggled off the tea this week, but made up for it elsewhere.
Tommy had a wobble at the turn and it seemed to stick with him for three holes.
I do the same, one bad hole and the next few are the same. Not comparing lol, but it does seem to play a part.
Then there's Hatton, who is angry constantly.