WorldHandicapSystem
Well-known member
It’s highly likely you won’t.
Professional Golf 2024 & 2025
- Thread starter Whydowedoit
- Start date
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Looks like Billy won’t be there
Shame I really like him. Has really got himself a fan base with his West Ham bag and popular at the big events like the BMW at Wentworth
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Yeah, showed some signs of life in Mexico (T7), but regressed in Korea
They may have been conscious of his Opens extensions still running, and fancied a 'name' US player.
Or they just felt sorry for this journalist!
The 6 LIV Golfers Fully Exempt For All Four Majors In 2025
There are just six LIV Golf stars who are fully exempt for all four Majors in 2025, take a look at who they are and how they qualify
www.golfmonthly.com
Folks.
There have been one or two reports to mods regarding some spill over to here from the LIV thread, most specifically that the sort of LIV related arguments which we have had to referee in the past are finding their way to this thread.
I know there has been an acceptance that it is nigh on impossible to discuss professional golf in wider terms without LIV and their golfers being discussed. LIV golfers play regular tour events and Majors, so it seems churlish to suggest there can never be any crossover between the LIV thread and this one. And, following a discussion with the other mods, that can continue.
But that agreement comes with a caveat please. At the first sign of any continuing argument stemming from the mention of LIV on this thread, the matter will be reviewed with the likely result being LIV will be confined to the LIV thread only.
Thanks all.
There have been one or two reports to mods regarding some spill over to here from the LIV thread, most specifically that the sort of LIV related arguments which we have had to referee in the past are finding their way to this thread.
I know there has been an acceptance that it is nigh on impossible to discuss professional golf in wider terms without LIV and their golfers being discussed. LIV golfers play regular tour events and Majors, so it seems churlish to suggest there can never be any crossover between the LIV thread and this one. And, following a discussion with the other mods, that can continue.
But that agreement comes with a caveat please. At the first sign of any continuing argument stemming from the mention of LIV on this thread, the matter will be reviewed with the likely result being LIV will be confined to the LIV thread only.
Thanks all.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Hopefully the same will apply to the LIV thread.
Seems like anything goes on there & people are allowed to just post to drag it down.
It's a fair point.
Bear in mind we don't read all threads so please use the report facility.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
More than anything it will be interesting to see how the top pros play it because it’s brutal in the wind and the blacks looked a long way back when we were there - North East Scotland wind isn’t kind at times
evemccc
Well-known member
I’ve imagined it.
Now what?
In which sport does the increase in money that administrators and players can make from the game, lead to vastly improved enjoyment levels from the game for its devotees?
Certainly not cricket, and rugby and not many at all IMO….I can’t see how a future boom in golf in China leading to probably hugely increases in money swilling around, leads to better circumstances for British golfers and golf viewers
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
I’ve imagined it.
Now what?
In which sport does the increase in money that administrators and players can make from the game, lead to vastly improved enjoyment levels from the game for its devotees?
Certainly not cricket, and rugby and not many at all IMO….I can’t see how a future boom in golf in China leading to probably hugely increases in money swilling around, leads to better circumstances for British golfers and golf viewers
Is it about growing the game around the globe and tapping into markets outside the US and Europe
Snooker and Basketball were able to tap into a market and increase the global viewers
Cricket is trying by going into the US as well as the traditional hotspots
evemccc
Well-known member
1) Yes but what is the tangible benefit to the viewer / devotee of that sport? It is those who make money from the sport, be it rugby, cricket, golf etc, who want to grow the game and (in cricket’s case) chase an ever-changing mythical ephemeral audience of promised riches..
Increased wealth to the game of golf doesn’t and won’t make your golfing life, nor mine, better at all.
2) LIV is doing a better job at expanding the game and tapping global audiences by taking the elite (and SOME/A FEW on LIV are the elite) around the world
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
What happens when the “devotee” stops watching ?
Can we not expand the sport beyond those devotees ?
Get more watching and playing the sport outside the traditional areas
It’s about benefiting the sport - snooker is benefiting from a new audience , it’s got a new young audience
Darts is benefiting from a new young star
The biggest market in golf is the US and the PGAT dominates that market and it’s had a big knock off affect in tour golf in other areas
The UK , Aus etc used to have multiple events and most have disappeared
Tap into as many markets and get more into the sport
evemccc
Well-known member
Name a sport in this country in which the administrators are held in high regard by the sports core audience
Cricket devotees are being turned off by having no first class cricket in July and August, and having it pushed to April/May and September
Trust in the sport, don’t evolve the sport into something unrecognisable — that is sure to turn off your core audience
I don’t see how golf becoming suddenly popular in India and China will help you, and British golfers and be an unadulterated positive
I thought you were the most anti-LIV person on here, and the most pro-PGA Tour? Yet now these points you’re making are aligned with LIV…new audience, innovation, going global, changing it up from the staid and conservative and US-centric PGA Tour etc etc
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
It will help the already filthy rich golfers earn more money.Name a sport in this country in which the administrators are held in high regard by the sports core audience
Cricket devotees are being turned off by having no first class cricket in July and August, and having it pushed to April/May and September
Trust in the sport, don’t evolve the sport into something unrecognisable — that is sure to turn off your core audience
I don’t see how golf becoming suddenly popular in India and China will help you, and British golfers and be an unadulterated positive
I thought you were the most anti-LIV person on here, and the most pro-PGA Tour? Yet now these points you’re making are aligned with LIV…new audience, innovation, going global, changing it up from the staid and conservative and US-centric PGA Tour etc etc
It’ll help golf manufacturers shift more product.
It’ll help tv companies make more money.
I wouldn’t notice it at all
As LT says, use the report function. Personally, I have no interest in LIV, so rarely view the thread. If we aren’t told about issues, we can’t deal with them.
evemccc
Well-known member
It will help the already filthy rich golfers earn more money.
It’ll help golf manufacturers shift more product.
It’ll help tv companies make more money.
I wouldn’t notice it at all
Exactly. 100% true
The best links courses and posh heathlands will become even more expensive….so, good luck with that
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
I’m not sure why it’s moved onto the administration of the sports ? I don’t see what that has to do with trying to grow the sport around the world ?
Again I’m not sure where that is relevant to getting markets around the world
Why does it have to help me personally ? Or British golfers - can we not want to see it more than just a British sport
I thought you were the most anti-LIV person on here, and the most pro-PGA Tour? Yet now these points you’re making are aligned with LIV…new audience, innovation, going global, changing it up from the staid and conservative and US-centric PGA Tour etc etc
If you think I’m Pro PGAT then you haven’t read anything I have said about it - I’m very much not a fan of that tour - the tour I was a fan of was the ET , that’s what I grew up watching
And as for LIV , it was imo another US Centric tour based on attracting people by money - which is why most of the events have been based in the US
I’m not a fan of the model when it’s comes - no cuts , shotguns starts , the teams etc
I wanted to see the WGCs expanded out across the globe with the top players playing across all the continents and then being administered by the collective tours
How will China in particular grow the game. The majority in the provinces are still lowly paid and fiercely controlled but the state and so won't have access to equipment or a range or course. Those in the capital and major cities will have more money but how many will still have access to the facilities to learn the game. How then is this going to develop the game as these utopian posts want
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Rickie Fowler also received an invite to the PGA championship today