Privatisation of national industries

[Deleted member 16999]

I wonder how many of those bemoaning the high costs of rent from the welfare budget were against the so called "bedroom tax". It seems that the government can't win. Either the government carries on paying all the high rents or they try to bring down costs by putting families in suitably sized homes. Why should a family with two sons be in a four bed house? Let the kids share a bedroom and save a few hundred quid a month by putting them in a two bed house. Multiply that by a few thousand families and the savings start stacking up.

Were are all these 2 bedroom houses?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well there are between 20 and 30 two bed houses or flats currently available to rent in my town of approx 10000 people.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well there are between 20 and 30 two bed houses or flats currently available to rent in my town of approx 10000 people.

What about the other 970 families in 4 bed houses were do they go?
No issue in principle, we just haven't got the housing stock.

 

[ColchesterFC]

What other 970 families?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What other 970 families?

The ones you said "Multiply that by a few thousand families and the savings start stacking up."
As you didn't quantify how many thousands, I went with 1000.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well I'm assuming at not all of those 1000 families live in my one town and it seems reasonable to suggest that there are other towns with properties available. There are over 900 towns and cities with a population over 10000. An average of 25 available two bed properties in each (which is clearly ridiculous as some of the big cities will have hundreds available) gives 22500 available 2 bed properties in total.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well I'm assuming at not all of those 1000 families live in my one town and it seems reasonable to suggest that there are other towns with properties available. There are over 900 towns and cities with a population over 10000. An average of 25 available two bed properties in each (which is clearly ridiculous as some of the big cities will have hundreds available) gives 22500 available 2 bed properties in total.

Unfortunately that was the problem with the Policy, all based on unrealistic figures, they've tried up here in the NE and there are no were near near enough 2 beds available, so people who are willing and want to move are stuck, until we build more "council" properties the wheel is stuck.

 

[Hobbit]

Any chance of links to back up this claim?

As seems to me that in most EU countries zero hours contracts are unknown, heavily regulated or banned https://fullfact.org/law/zero-hours-contracts-uk-europe/

Unfortunately I can't provide a link to the contracts my employer has been using in Germany for many years. Heavily regulated they may be but production line staff have had them for at least 10 years. When there's a glut of orders they're called in to the line, and when its quiet they're not required.

However, thanks for the link that shows there are only 7 countries where they are banned... not quite sure what point you're trying to make????

 

[ColchesterFC]

On Rightmove today for the Northeast......

Sunderland has 339 2 bed properties available to rent
Newcastle 1644
Hartlepool 131
Middlesbrough 257
Scarborough 64
York 283
Durham 140
Seaham 27

So it seems as though there are plenty of 2 bed properties available in the northeast.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

On Rightmove today for the Northeast......

Sunderland has 339 2 bed properties available to rent
Newcastle 1644
Hartlepool 131
Middlesbrough 257
Scarborough 64
York 283
Durham 140
Seaham 27

So it seems as though there are plenty of 2 bed properties available in the northeast.

And how many are suitable for disabled or take pets or other needs families may have, how does that compare to the No needed, I'm going by the local councils in the media who say they are struggling.

 

[ColchesterFC]

And how many are suitable for disabled or take pets or other needs families may have, how does that compare to the No needed, I'm going by the local councils in the media who say they are struggling.

Local Labour councils trying to make political capital out of a Tory policy?

 

[doublebogey7]

On Rightmove today for the Northeast......

Sunderland has 339 2 bed properties available to rent
Newcastle 1644
Hartlepool 131
Middlesbrough 257
Scarborough 64
York 283
Durham 140
Seaham 27

So it seems as though there are plenty of 2 bed properties available in the northeast.

How many of these are council properties and how many of these have been offered to those you currentlyboccupied of under sizes families. I have no problem with the so called bedroom tax being applied to those that refused to move to smaller properties when it was clearly reasonable for them to do so, but that is not how it worked.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The original point raised was with regards to how much was being paid in rent to private landlords. My point was that by downsizing families in houses that are rented through a private landlord there are considerable savings to be made.

 

[doublebogey7]

The original point raised was with regards to how much was being paid in rent to private landlords. My point was that by downsizing families in houses that are rented through a private landlord there are considerable savings to be made.

The Labour Government, in 2003, introduced Local Housing Benefit (LHB) this restricted payments to Private Landlords in the way you describe.

 

[SocketRocket]

And how many are suitable for disabled or take pets or other needs families may have, how does that compare to the No needed, I'm going by the local councils in the media who say they are struggling.

How about disabled pets?

 

[shagster]

some people on here talk absolute BS
so a family with two strapping teenage sons should move to a two bedroom house to save a few quid on welfare
20 odd homes available in a town of 10000, wow lets all move there
perhaps people should think about realities more instead of trying to write headlines for the daily scum

 

[SocketRocket]

some people on here talk absolute BS
so a family with two strapping teenage sons should move to a two bedroom house to save a few quid on welfare
20 odd homes available in a town of 10000, wow lets all move there
perhaps people should think about realities more instead of trying to write headlines for the daily scum

If they have two strapping sons why are they on welfare?

 

[ColchesterFC]

The Labour Government, in 2003, introduced Local Housing Benefit (LHB) this restricted payments to Private Landlords in the way you describe.

So would that have been a precursor to the "bedroom tax"?

 

[shagster]

there sons could be 15 - 16 still at school and parents in low paid jobs
not complicated

 

[ColchesterFC]

some people on here talk absolute BS
so a family with two strapping teenage sons should move to a two bedroom house to save a few quid on welfare
20 odd homes available in a town of 10000, wow lets all move there
perhaps people should think about realities more instead of trying to write headlines for the daily scum

there sons could be 15 - 16 still at school and parents in low paid jobs
not complicated

So what's the problem with them having a two bed house/flat and the two teenagers sharing a bedroom?