Prisoners human rights

[Ethan]

Kellfire, It is liberal do-gooder types who spout the same words as you that will bring this country down.

Some people are evil, it is permanently in them, like Venables as mentioned above. Why waste the money on prison? People like him should be culled, end of.

What sickens me most about the venables situation is that when he gets out, he will be given another new identity, a nice place to live, set up in a job and able to hide once more. This is wrong. Release him under his new identity and let the scum live every minute of his life in sheer terror of when the next good hiding will be coming his way.

If any of these loopy-liberals actually knew the full details of what those 2 bastards did to James Bulger perhaps they would change their tune.

The details of what happened to James Bulger can be easily found if you look around. There is no question that these boys committed an horrific crime, and I would not be sorry if they never saw the light of day. Likewise Huntley.

However, it is right wing reactionary Daily mail reading nutcases who use one or two cases to generalise to the whole prison population. Crimes such as Bulger and Huntley are pretty rare, and many of the people in prison are there for bugger all, and some are there for crimes they did not commit.

There is a saying that hard cases makes bad laws. What this means is that if you frame policy or law based on one or two extreme cases, you get unfair and unbalanced laws.

 

[Kellfire]

If the lads who had killed Bulger had been one year younger, they wouldn't have even stood trial. To me that's a fantastic example of just how you can't use the Bulger case as framework for the general populous.

I see it didn't take long to be called a "liberal do gooder" and that my type would destroy the country.

There's nothing like an over-reaching generalisation to start your Sunday.

 

[medwayjon]

But the fact of the matter is that it IS the liberal do-gooders who cause a lot of the trouble in this country.

Look at the huge number of paedophiles and rapists who go on to re-offend. The liberal nutters are all for therapising them and the like which does not work. There is no "curing" of these sick minds so either bang them up in a p***-hole nick until they die or preferably, cull them.

Its not just on the legal system that the liberals are wrong, they are morons on every subject matter they tackle.

 

[Ethan]

But the fact of the matter is that it IS the liberal do-gooders who cause a lot of the trouble in this country.

Look at the huge number of paedophiles and rapists who go on to re-offend. The liberal nutters are all for therapising them and the like which does not work. There is no "curing" of these sick minds so either bang them up in a p***-hole nick until they die or preferably, cull them.

Its not just on the legal system that the liberals are wrong, they are morons on every subject matter they tackle.

Complete and utter prejudiced and uneducated bollox.

Could you state your qualifications for that little expulsion of flatus?

 

[medwayjon]

Well lets look at the liberal approach we have had in place to our border control.

Asylum seekers are meant to go to the nearest safe country, but they choose to come here. Why? Because they get treated like royalty. I know, I live close to an area where many are. They get fast-tracked into social housing, get given mobile phones and enough cash + whatever they steal and sell on to go and buy designer clothes and the latest £100 Nike trainers and spend all-day in the betting shops on the roulette machines.

But then we get (and I quote a very liberal friend of my wifes) "but these poor people have came from a life of such fear and terror" Ah, so thats the excuse for them stealing & robbing as much as they can in a day is it?

 

[medwayjon]

Oh and Ethan, yes I am prejudiced. Prejudiced towards any scum that may pose a threat or harm to the well-being of those I care about.

 

[Kellfire]

But the fact of the matter is that it IS the liberal do-gooders who cause a lot of the trouble in this country.

Look at the huge number of paedophiles and rapists who go on to re-offend. The liberal nutters are all for therapising them and the like which does not work. There is no "curing" of these sick minds so either bang them up in a p***-hole nick until they die or preferably, cull them.

Its not just on the legal system that the liberals are wrong, they are morons on every subject matter they tackle.

OK, so you're saying I'm a moron then, I assume?

You do realise that for many paedophiles, they find it every bit as natural to be attracted to children as you find it to be attracted to an adult woman? Now, I am not saying that it's ok for them to act on their feelings, clearly it isn't, but I highly doubt anyone would really choose to be that way.

 

[Ethan]

Oh and Ethan, yes I am prejudiced. Prejudiced towards any scum that may pose a threat or harm to the well-being of those I care about.

Oh, please. That is the excuse of idiot vigilantes and boot boys everywhere. Saves having to connect two brain cells together and apply some intelligence, I suppose.

 

[Kellfire]

In theory everyone poses a threat to everyone else. I could drive my car into a crowd. I could stab someone to death with a kitchen knife.

I could...

 

[medwayjon]

But the fact of the matter is that it IS the liberal do-gooders who cause a lot of the trouble in this country.

Look at the huge number of paedophiles and rapists who go on to re-offend. The liberal nutters are all for therapising them and the like which does not work. There is no "curing" of these sick minds so either bang them up in a p***-hole nick until they die or preferably, cull them.

Its not just on the legal system that the liberals are wrong, they are morons on every subject matter they tackle.

OK, so you're saying I'm a moron then, I assume?

You do realise that for many paedophiles, they find it every bit as natural to be attracted to children as you find it to be attracted to an adult woman? Now, I am not saying that it's ok for them to act on their feelings, clearly it isn't, but I highly doubt anyone would really choose to be that way.

Whether homo, hetero, paedo, whatever, it doesnt mean in my eyes that any sex-offender should be allowed back into society. These people generally do re-offend and that has to be prevented for the greater good.

 

[medwayjon]

Oh and Ethan, yes I am prejudiced. Prejudiced towards any scum that may pose a threat or harm to the well-being of those I care about.

Oh, please. That is the excuse of idiot vigilantes and boot boys everywhere. Saves having to connect two brain cells together and apply some intelligence, I suppose.

Well I wouldnt call myself a boot-boy thats for sure and as for vigilante, unless self-defense and protection of ones property counts, Im not that either. My education is sufficient to be classed as intelligent aswell.

What I am saying is, all I care about is the welfare of those I care about. I dont care how draconian people have to be punished if it means that my loved-ones are just that little bit safer.

 

[Kellfire]

These people generally do re-offend

Wrong.

See now, if you're going to just make stuff up to make your point, then you're really highlighting the fact that you're just being sensationalist to justify your blood lust, aren't you?

 

[CrapHacker]

The simple fact is that we have a set of laws in this country. Those require a fair trial and reasonable treatment of prisoners. Just because it is the law of the country, doesn't make it right or proper. Maybe we should look at the laws and rewrite a few of them.

They also make vigilatism by prison warders illegal. Totally agree. Vigilantism ( is that such a word ? ) is wrong.

According rights to these people may be one of the unpalatable aspects of being a law-abiding democratic society. The thing is in making sure that the law defines their rights, and it should also define where they stop.

If anyone prefers summary justice and retribution, perhaps they should relocate to Saudi or Iran. There is right and wrong in their laws. But we, as a civilised country should, according to your morals, let them live to their standards. I think we should look at our own standards.

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[CrapHacker]

If the lads who had killed Bulger had been one year younger, they wouldn't have even stood trial. To me that's a fantastic example of just how you can't use the Bulger case as framework for the general populous.

I couldn't disagree more.

The fact is that at least one of these people are 'evil'. I'm using the word, not in any biblical way, but as a way of definining his beliefs as being so far outside those of our society that they should be totally dissociated from the rest of us.

That the case was such a 'one off' means that we should look at it in even more detail.

Their age is / was irrelevant to their actions. What mattered was, did they understand right and wrong. This guy did, and ignored it. He believed, and obviously still believes, that your, and my, standards do not transfer to him.

He feels he is not required to observe another's right to life.

He is not unique. He is not the only person in the history of our country that feels like this.

There are others out there as we type this who will, given the same opportunity, act in the same way.

If we can use these facts to save the life of an innocent child in the future, we should learn now, and not wait until the next time a child is taken, abused and murdered.

A tough decision taken today WILL save many innocent lifes. It will also, probably, cause the death at some point in the future, of an innocent man accused of similar heinous crimes.

The tough question is ; what is more important, saving many innocent children's lives, or causing the death of one innocent man ?

I used to be in the camp of saving the innocent accused, but I now believe that the numbers of these evil crimes is growing so much that we have to put as many safeguards against killing an innocent accused, as possible. But then, when we are absolutely sure we have the right man, and he is irredeemable, we have to purge him from this earth.

 

[CrapHacker]

These people generally do re-offend

Wrong.

See now, if you're going to just make stuff up to make your point, then you're really highlighting the fact that you're just being sensationalist to justify your blood lust, aren't you?

It doesn't need the majority to reoffend.

It just needs one.

We don't know which one, though.

I'm not suggesting that we use the death penalty against all sex offenders.

But it should be used in the worst cases, and should be a threat against every offender.

No bloodlust here.

 

[medwayjon]

19% reoffend after their 1st conviction.

Thats enough to worry me.

 

[CrapHacker]

But the fact of the matter is that it IS the liberal do-gooders who cause a lot of the trouble in this country.

Look at the huge number of paedophiles and rapists who go on to re-offend. The liberal nutters are all for therapising them and the like which does not work. There is no "curing" of these sick minds so either bang them up in a p***-hole nick until they die or preferably, cull them.

Its not just on the legal system that the liberals are wrong, they are morons on every subject matter they tackle.

Complete and utter prejudiced and uneducated bollox.

Could you state your qualifications for that little expulsion of flatus?

How do you think we should deal with reoffending rapists?

And what would you say to the families of the victims ?

And before you ask, my qualifications are reading the press, watching tv, thinking ( allbeit, sometimes ) and having a family. Oh and getting older.

What are yours ?

 

[CrapHacker]

19% reoffend after their 1st conviction.

Thats enough to worry me.

I promise not to agree with a Spurs fan in the future.

I promise.



( I think there should be a law against it )

 

[CrapHacker]

In theory everyone poses a threat to everyone else. I could drive my car into a crowd. I could stab someone to death with a kitchen knife.

I could...

But have you proven to society that would like to do that, and given the chance, that you may well choose to give it a go, just to satisfy your strange needs of fulfullment. ?

In which case, I'd ask you to come over here, it's only a small needle, you'll hardly feel it.......

We all have evil thoughts. We don't act on them.

That is the difference.

Once you have acted on them, you have to be considered in a different light.

 

[Kellfire]

Their age is / was irrelevant to their actions.

Not according to the law of the land and I'd bet that those who made the law have a slightly better grasp of it than you or I.

The tough question is ; what is more important, saving many innocent children's lives, or causing the death of one innocent man ?

Wow. Quite simply, any civilised society would NEVER sacrifice the innocent man. That is truly barbaric.

I used to be in the camp of saving the innocent accused, but I now believe that the numbers of these evil crimes is growing so much that we have to put as many safeguards against killing an innocent accused, as possible. But then, when we are absolutely sure we have the right man, and he is irredeemable, we have to purge him from this earth.

Making us no better than the criminal...