SocketRocket
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Not surprised. One thing the British don't like is being told what to do and especially by politicians.
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Not surprised. One thing the British don't like is being told what to do and especially by politicians.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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He wasn't telling us what to do. He was giving us his opinion on what he thought was best for the UK. No need for anyone to get irked by what he said. If you didn't like it or agree with it then either just ignore it or argue against it. Simply making loud and indignant noises of complaint doesn't really help anyone. It's just noise.
SteveJay
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Sorry, but his use of phrases like "the UK will be at the back of the queue" was definitely enough to irk some people, myself included!!
PhilTheFragger
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I could change the title, but I would have to do it on each of the 85 posts so far
and to he honest, I ve got better things to do.
Its not a title we like, so this is making people aware that such terms are frowned upon,and we dont want to see them on here in future
and to he honest, I ve got better things to do.
Its not a title we like, so this is making people aware that such terms are frowned upon,and we dont want to see them on here in future
Foxholer
Blackballed
You lazy Richard!
If you'd reacted when first identified (3 days ago), it would only have been about 25!
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Thought my point was an argument against and he was certainly telling us what to do.
Come on now SILH, you have been more than party to making loud and indignant noises about politicians where their point of view differs to your own. Nigel Farage and the whole Conservative Government in every other issue except this one comes to mind.
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Sweep
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Just wondering what the difference is between arguing against something and making loud indignant noises of complaint. Maybe if one agrees with the argument against it's not an indignant noise of complaint. Similarly, if one disagrees with the argument against, it is just indignant noise. So it comes down to personal opinion. Which is fine, as long as people aren't making loud indignant noises of approval
There is a reason world leaders don't go to each others countries and interfere/give opinions on upcoming elections. It really hacks people off who live there. Stay out of it. Cameron could go to the US and sit on US chat shows and advise Americans that they really should not vote for Donald Trump as he would be bad for the rest of the world but it is not his position to do that. You don't interfere in other countries elections. Obama crossed a line and broke a protocol.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
You seem to be confusing an election to elect a president/PM/leader, which as far as I am aware no foreign leader has ever offered an opinion on, with this 'vote' on EU membership. Which I would argue he is opining on as we are major trade partners with the US, and vice versa.
No, it is still an internal election that is voted for by the people of the UK, no one else. He should keep his opinions to himself. If you look at most world leaders they will comfortably side step any question relating to elections of any type in other countries pointing out "it is for the people of that country to decide". This is no different.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
By that logic, given that we wouldn't want our major trading partners to be destabilised by a Trump presidency, Cameron should go over there and do all he can to stop his election, no?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
It is not an election, it is a referendum http://www.uk-engage.org/2013/05/what-is-the-difference-between-an-election-and-a-referendum/
I would argue there is a difference between a country electing a person to run it, and a vote on whether that country is part of a trading block. You could take your argument further and argue what right to the owners of papers to get involved then seeing as a lot of them are not based in this country. it could get very tricky if you start deciding who can and can't have an opinion in this matter. http://leftfootforward.org/2013/06/...owns-the-press-for-the-sake-of-our-democracy/
Personally I think anyone can have an opinion, and anyone is free to ignore it.
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Election / Referendum - pedants corner but I take your point. Ha ha. Same rules apply in my eyes though.
The rules relating to elected leaders and members of the press are very, very different (not real rules but accepted behaviour). Anyone can have an opinion but leaders should be, and usually are, very careful expressing theirs in matters that interfere in the voting process, see what I did there, in another country.
The rules relating to elected leaders and members of the press are very, very different (not real rules but accepted behaviour). Anyone can have an opinion but leaders should be, and usually are, very careful expressing theirs in matters that interfere in the voting process, see what I did there, in another country.
drdel
Tour Rookie
The 'rules' for a politician's speech are simple...
If trying to stay in post do not contradict the party line or answer questions attempting to draw out facts opposing the party line.
If about to retire, say what the majority of audience or hosts want to hear; you next position could rely on their goodwill.
POTUS is retiring, he's done next to now't for the USA and he's contributed nothing to the EU debate having kept away from any debate when the IMF were discussing the economic woes of the Euro zone - now he's an expert on the UK's relationship with the rest of the EU. Completely ignores the fact that the trade deal has been kicked into the long grass and Germany is fed up with Merkel as is the ECB! There's no queue to put the UK at the back as currently the trade between the UK and USA has a value bigger than most.
If trying to stay in post do not contradict the party line or answer questions attempting to draw out facts opposing the party line.
If about to retire, say what the majority of audience or hosts want to hear; you next position could rely on their goodwill.
POTUS is retiring, he's done next to now't for the USA and he's contributed nothing to the EU debate having kept away from any debate when the IMF were discussing the economic woes of the Euro zone - now he's an expert on the UK's relationship with the rest of the EU. Completely ignores the fact that the trade deal has been kicked into the long grass and Germany is fed up with Merkel as is the ECB! There's no queue to put the UK at the back as currently the trade between the UK and USA has a value bigger than most.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
OK, Obama has given his Cameron tainted view. If it's OK for foreign politicians to give views heres another:
[video=youtube;8f6v7ZwKw_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f6v7ZwKw_s[/video]
[video=youtube;8f6v7ZwKw_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f6v7ZwKw_s[/video]
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Aye - from where he sits 10,500 miles from London he still doesn't understand that the £350million weekly 'cost' is a load of tosh.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
It's not tosh. our costs are £350 million weekly, we happen to get a rebate on that at the moment but it would be 'Tosh' to believe that will continue much longer. If we vote to stay the rest of the EU will know they have us by the gonads and will start turning the thumb screws and we will be powerless to do anything about it.
Oh! and while Obama sits 3,500 miles from London he doesn't understand there isn't a Que.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Unlike some Brexiteers I'm quite happy for this guy to express his opinion. He does though rather give the impression that it's a nett £350m - when we know it isn't.
Sweep
Journeyman Pro
£350m a week gross and yes we get some back, which some people think is a good deal. Until you remember that we get it back in the form of grants. In other words we are told how we can spend it. Personally I would rather we decided how we spent our own money.
For example, in my area we are spending millions on rebuilding dry stone walls courtesy of an EU grant. Some of the new walls look like dry stone, but aren't. Others are. When the project started maybe a couple of years ago there were some figures in the news about how many children were living in poverty in the UK. I couldn't help thinking that money could have been better spent.