President Obama grade one dick

I'm an in person but Obama has just given the out campaign a real boost. Patronising, condescending and belittling. Back of the queue. Is that how you treat your friends and allies?
 
Sweep said:
I have to say I was really shocked and angered when I read what Obama had said. I didn't expect him to say anything in favour of brexit, but the strength of his tone was, as far as I know, unprecedented from a foreign leader on a matter of which he is not involved.
Hopefully next time the Americans want us to lay down the lives of our servicemen in support of their wars, we will tell them to get to the back of the queue. Also hopefully, this will end once and for all the talk of a "special relationship", something that hasn't existed in decades. Remember John Kerry couldn't stop telling us that France was their oldest ally? The US trick of telling everyone they are special is something they do over and over again to help them get what they want. To our shame, we have fallen for it again and again.
More importantly in my view, I never thought I would see the day when a British Prime Minister would stand next to a foreign leader on British soil and advocate everything the foreign leader said while he bullied and threatened the British people and told us what to do. I am naturally a conservative voter. You would have to go a long way to make me consider going against that, but I cannot forgive Mr. Cameron for this. I will never place a vote for him again. I want a PM who will stand up for Britain, not for everyone else but Britain. For me it's kind of an essential part of the job. The whole thing, the sheer politics of desperation, the cynical Downing St spin which I thought had gone with Tony Blair, is an absolute disgrace.
The one thing I would like to know from the President I used to admire is this. When we go to the back of the queue (or should I say "line") for a trade deal with America, what trade deal is he talking about? We have never had a trade deal with America. If he wants to shut out the 5th biggest economy in the world, go for it. The truth is he knows that his planned US favoured trade deal with the EU is worthless without Britain. If he was any kind of man he would admit that.
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Excellent post well written.
 
I assume that by this thread title remaining unchanged the forum are now allowed use the term "dick" without infraction?

As President he was obstructed during his two terms and as a result this has put the brakes on an administration which could have done so much more for everyday Americans.

Peace and love!
 
FairwayDodger said:
He's entitled to give his opinion, you're entitled to ignore it.
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Totally agree. I've read what he said and doesn't change my intended vote one bit. He's actually right though about trade deals. These take years to fully negotiate and agree and there are numerous 'EU/xx' deals currently being ratified, so in effect if we do vote out then we would go the 'back of the queue' for a number of countries. However I am sure that there would also be a number willing to engage with the UK at the earliest opportunity to get preferential treatment.
 
Papas1982 said:
Persoanlly think he's just saying what Cameron has asked him too. Some people on the fence may now vote stay in beciase of it. Don't for one second think that us exiting would stop our special relationship.
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There is only a special relationship when it suits the USA! :mmm:
 
He is currently to be found chunking it round the Grove, in Watford. Judging from the massive police presence, and the general emptiness of the golf course, excepting one four ball, with an entourage, and a tall left handed black golfer.

Nice day for it though.
 
murphthemog said:
He is currently to be found chunking it round the Grove, in Watford. Judging from the massive police presence, and the general emptiness of the golf course, excepting one four ball, with an entourage, and a tall left handed black golfer.

Nice day for it though.
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That's a special relationship - no Brits!
 
Sweep said:
I have to say I was really shocked and angered when I read what Obama had said. I didn't expect him to say anything in favour of brexit, but the strength of his tone was, as far as I know, unprecedented from a foreign leader on a matter of which he is not involved.
Hopefully next time the Americans want us to lay down the lives of our servicemen in support of their wars, we will tell them to get to the back of the queue. Also hopefully, this will end once and for all the talk of a "special relationship", something that hasn't existed in decades. Remember John Kerry couldn't stop telling us that France was their oldest ally? The US trick of telling everyone they are special is something they do over and over again to help them get what they want. To our shame, we have fallen for it again and again.
More importantly in my view, I never thought I would see the day when a British Prime Minister would stand next to a foreign leader on British soil and advocate everything the foreign leader said while he bullied and threatened the British people and told us what to do. I am naturally a conservative voter. You would have to go a long way to make me consider going against that, but I cannot forgive Mr. Cameron for this. I will never place a vote for him again. I want a PM who will stand up for Britain, not for everyone else but Britain. For me it's kind of an essential part of the job. The whole thing, the sheer politics of desperation, the cynical Downing St spin which I thought had gone with Tony Blair, is an absolute disgrace.
The one thing I would like to know from the President I used to admire is this. When we go to the back of the queue (or should I say "line") for a trade deal with America, what trade deal is he talking about? We have never had a trade deal with America. If he wants to shut out the 5th biggest economy in the world, go for it. The truth is he knows that his planned US favoured trade deal with the EU is worthless without Britain. If he was any kind of man he would admit that.
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Oh my - you are easily shocked and angered - tell you what - if you don't like what he said - just ignore it eh?

Obama has an absolute duty to us to make very clear his view on UK Leaving - one that I understand most American politicians and businessmen agree with. It is the Americans that BoJo (that complete and utter deceitful idiot) and the Brexiteers tell us we'll be able to develop such fantastic economic relationships with - and Obama says something Leave doesn't like and they spit their dummy out and stamp their feet - how utterly childish. Violet Elizabeth Bolt watch out.
 
MetalMickie said:
And if he had said the UK should leave the EU you would no doubt be praising him for his forthright opinions.

His opinion as leader of our biggest ally and the most powerful country in the world is important and, on this issue, was no secret.

Less impressive was Boris' snidey reference to Obama's Kenyan heritage. Absolutely pathetic!
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That's it. If he'd said - UK out of the EU is fine with us, makes no difference to the US whether UK is in or out - you would have loved him, just loved him - for saying it. And if it were true that it would make no difference - or indeed as Brexit tells us might actually improve things for the USA - then Americans only cares about the USA - then Obama would have said that wouldn't he. But no - Obama painted an uncomfortable picture for Brexit and they just don't like it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Oh my - you are easily shocked and angered - tell you what - if you don't like what he said - just ignore it eh?

Obama has an absolute duty to us to make very clear his view on UK Leaving - one that I understand most American politicians and businessmen agree with. It is the Americans that BoJo (that complete and utter deceitful idiot) and the Brexiteers tell us we'll be able to develop such fantastic economic relationships with - and Obama says something Leave doesn't like and they spit their dummy out and stamp their feet - how utterly childish. Violet Elizabeth Bolt watch out.
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Both Clinton and Trump have said that they are against the TTIP agreement as they think it will be bad for American jobs. If the UK votes to leave by the time any negotiations start Obama will have gone and the UK will be dealing with a new president. Surely if TTIP does not go ahead then the EU would have to start negotiations again on a new trade agreement and would therefore have to "go to the back of the queue" as Obama put it. So by voting to leave the UK could go to the back of the queue and still be ahead of the EU when TTIP is dismissed and they start new negotiations.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
That's it. If he'd said - UK out of the EU is fine with us, makes no difference to the US whether UK is in or out - you would have loved him, just loved him - for saying it.
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No, it's nothing to do with America (except what's in it for them). Next you'll be telling us your ok with some random europeans dictating to us. Also just turn it round, if Boris would have come out in favour of remaining he would'nt have been getting all the disdain from the stay lobby.
 
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ColchesterFC said:
Both Clinton and Trump have said that they are against the TTIP agreement as they think it will be bad for American jobs. If the UK votes to leave by the time any negotiations start Obama will have gone and the UK will be dealing with a new president. Surely if TTIP does not go ahead then the EU would have to start negotiations again on a new trade agreement and would therefore have to "go to the back of the queue" as Obama put it. So by voting to leave the UK could go to the back of the queue and still be ahead of the EU when TTIP is dismissed and they start new negotiations.
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As you've pointed out, Obama is on his farewell tour and is an irrelevance to this particular issue. And in addition, his view is absolutely NOT shared across the board back home in the US, it is merely his personal view, to which he is entitled of course but is of no consequence moving forward.
 
Is he really dictating anything? He i sinEurope to talk about this trade deal with the EU, and he i saying that if the UK leaves the EU then they have to start a deal from the beginning. Of course it will happen, but later. Much later.


As for him playing golf, would have been such great PR if he would have played a local member for $1 a hole rather than closing the course.
 
larmen said:
Is he really dictating anything? He i sinEurope to talk about this trade deal with the EU, and he i saying that if the UK leaves the EU then they have to start a deal from the beginning. Of course it will happen, but later. Much later.


As for him playing golf, would have been such great PR if he would have played a local member for $1 a hole rather than closing the course.
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he'd have done well, the grove doesnt have members!!!
 
Personally I think those that think the opinion of the leader of the biggest economy in the western world are irrelevant in a discussion about how we will fit in to a globalised economy, are just highlighting their introverted narrow minded little England mentality.

But of course other opinions are available ;)
 
Hacker Khan said:
Personally I think those that think the opinion of the leader of the biggest economy in the western world are irrelevant in a discussion about how we will fit in to a globalised economy, are just highlighting their introverted narrow minded little England mentality.

But of course other opinions are available ;)
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And other opinions are equally valid depending on your political persuasion.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Oh my - you are easily shocked and angered - tell you what - if you don't like what he said - just ignore it eh?

Obama has an absolute duty to us to make very clear his view on UK Leaving - one that I understand most American politicians and businessmen agree with. It is the Americans that BoJo (that complete and utter deceitful idiot) and the Brexiteers tell us we'll be able to develop such fantastic economic relationships with - and Obama says something Leave doesn't like and they spit their dummy out and stamp their feet - how utterly childish. Violet Elizabeth Bolt watch out.
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Just what I would expect from Cameron's new poster boy.
Obama's duty is to the American people. He has absolutely no duty to us or anyone else who didn't elect him. This is actually little to do with anyone's stance on the EU debate, though as I have said before, if Cameron was using tax payers money to fund leaflets over and above agreed spending limits or indeed dragging a foreign leader in to argue for something you disagreed with, you would beyond livid and this just proves it.
There is nothing childish about expecting the British Prime Minister to put Britain first, though as someone who extolled the virtues of breaking up the Union, I wouldn't expect you to grasp that concept.
I think it is regrettable and indeed just plain sad that you are prepared to see your Prime Minister smiling, nodding and advocating a foreign leader talking down, belittling, insulting and threatening the British people as long as it helps your view on one issue in British politics prevail. You should be ashamed.
I didn't like what Obama said, but it was his threatening language that shocked and angered me. But you are right, I can ignore it. However, as I said, what was worse was Cameron's cynical behaviour in this. That I cannot and choose not to ignore. He is my Prime Minister. I have every right to express my opinion.
Now, I am quite sure you haven't liked what I said, so why don't you just ignore that?
 
MarkE said:
No, it's nothing to do with America (except what's in it for them). Next you'll be telling us your ok with some random europeans dictating to us. Also just turn it round, if Boris would have come out in favour of remaining he would'nt have been getting all the disdain from the stay lobby.
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Wrong!

I am in favour of remaining but can assure you my opinion of Boris Johnson would remain the same even if he was in the Stay camp.

An odious political opportunist of the worst sort who is best suited to presenting Have I Got News For You.

And no I am not a cuddly left -leaning liberal.
 
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