President Obama grade one dick

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And this - and I suppose we'll now be hearing that the views of Hillary Clinton on the UK and EU don't matter and are uncalled for - oh we already have - with criticisms of the usual supeficiality and pettiness
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Like every other example, people deplore or praise someone based on the content of the opinion, not the origin. If Obama had said that the UK was being held back by these continental Europeans, those who are deploring him now would be pairing him.
 
Hobbit said:
How many times have you criticised DC, the Tories and Westminster for having a say in Scottish politics and the referendum? We had months and months of you and Doon criticising for interference, yet all of a sudden you're happy to accept it on the EU issue.

Rhetorical question; what would someone call someone else who says no, no, no but then says it's absolutely the right thing to do. Is it hippopotamus? No that doesn't sound right. Hypodermic? No, no not that.

By all means view it as petty and superficial, but at least it isn't hypocritical.
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The only thoughts I had with Cameron expressing opinions about the Scottish Referendum was that his statements and getting involved were likely to be counter-productive to Scotland staying in the UK. I don't recall saying that he should not get involved and that he should keep his thoughts to himself. Which is what Brexiteers are saying to the current and probable next US President.
 
MarkE said:
Whatever your or anyone else's views on Boris, he is at least entitled to air his views on on the EU question, unlike Obama or anyone else who don't get a vote on the matter.
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Sorry - but this is complete and utter rubbish. This is the leader of the country in whom Brexit places great faith and store in building new and advantageous economic and security relationships. Not only should be telling us what he thinks - but we NEED to know.
 
Actually I hope that I'm not the only person who finds the title of this thread rather offensive. I suppose the OP wouldn't get away with expressing the equivalent sentiment about Hillary Clinton given she supports Obama's views. Then again - I might think the same about Trump
 
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Ethan said:
The Brexit campaign is built on an arrogant and self deluding idea that Britain is inherently better than Johnny Foreigner and is just being held back by the EU. It is up to you Brexiteers to prove that is the case, not just make a fantasy case based on wishful thinking and pseudo-patriotic flag waving.

The issue of serious criminals, as you put it, flooding into the UK is one dreamt up by The Mail and The Sun.

The point of '
We need EU immigrants if our health service and other public services are to remain staffed. That doesn't preclude other immigrants.
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You don't seem to be taking it in. Let me try once more but do try to read and digest before going off 'half cocked'

The issue of 'Serious Criminals' coming into the UK unchecked (didn't say flooding) was not 'my statement 'but that of Teresa May, she made the point of how she was challenging the right they have to come here. She used this to support the way she would control immigration. Do you get that now? She said it not me!

You now make a point about needing immigrants to staff the NHS. Why have you added that one, did I say something here about it? I don't think so, my points were about May's comments and trade with the USA. If you have any points on what I actually said as opposed to what your somewhat distorted imagination thought I said I would be quite happy to discuss them with you, preferably in a civilised manner though, you know, the way you would discuss it face to face with me as opposed to behind your keyboard.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Sorry - but this is complete and utter rubbish. This is the leader of the country in whom Brexit places great faith and store in building new and advantageous economic and security relationships. Not only should be telling us what he thinks - but we NEED to know.
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What are these 'new and advantageous economic and security relationships' you speak of? I am only aware of the the requirement to make a free trade agreement.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Sorry - but this is complete and utter rubbish. This is the leader of the country in whom Brexit places great faith and store in building new and advantageous economic and security relationships. Not only should be telling us what he thinks - but we NEED to know.
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I beg to differ. I don't need to know what anyone outside of the UK thinks as they all have their own vested interests. Whereas I disagree with practically everything you have to say on the matter, but your view is as valid as my own. Obama is on a farewell tour and will have zero impact on any new trade deals we strike with the US so I certainly should not be listening to him. Hopefully that's the last input from his good self.
 
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MarkE said:
I beg to differ. I don't need to know what anyone outside of the UK thinks as they all have their own vested interests. Whereas I disagree with practically everything you have to say on the matter, but your view is as valid as my own. Obama is on a farewell tour and will have zero impact on any new trade deals we strike with the US so I certainly should not be listening to him. Hopefully that's the last input from his good self.
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Absolutely, well said Mark.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Actually I hope that I'm not the only person who finds the title of this thread rather offensive. I suppose the OP wouldn't get away with expressing the equivalent sentiment about Hillary Clinton given she supports Obama's views. Then again - I might think the same about Trump
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I agree with you on this. I'm very surprised it's been allowed to run without an amended title.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Actually I hope that I'm not the only person who finds the title of this thread rather offensive. I suppose the OP wouldn't get away with expressing the equivalent sentiment about Hillary Clinton given she supports Obama's views. Then again - I might think the same about Trump
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SILH.
You might find the title of the thread offensive, but however you dress it up 65 threads later people still feel offended or the opposite of to express there Opinions.
The leader of the most " Powerful" nation in the world has broke No 1 rule in politics. Keep your nose out of others country's political debates. Of course he is worried it may affect his country's trade with us and it may cost jobs, but guess what, the EU and this government cost me my job. No one shed a tear for me. No one, yet people are upset that I used a terminology to describe the most powerful man in the world.
When you have walked in my shoes and many others who have been affected by Mr Cameron's selective policies of when this country/ Government/EU will support its own people as against those who do a similar job on the other side of the world, you may well understand that my initial post was corrected as I was so incensed by his buddy buddy comments. When your livelihood is taken away by those that now claim to have your best interests at heart, you get a bit emotional at the hypocrisy of it all.
Having seen the most powerful nation stick its nose into half of the Middle East, and leaving it in a bigger mess than when left alone. Why should we as a country that has a " special relationship" with The Yoy Ess Hay feel we should be exempt from interference. Hmm there's a thought, when was the last time the USA stuck its nose into something and it became a better place.
I like many others respected Obama for what he tried to achieve within his country, but feel he has more than crossed the line in sticking in his nose into "Joe Publics" massive concerns.
I have said before and will continue to say especially on this forum, I will sit on the fence and try to see both sides. But my personal life has a massive influence on my views and the Tory's/ EU have given me diddly squat in my life, they represent all I abhor in life, Mr Obama now finds himself in that same little Club.
 
Tashyboy, you're entitled to your opinion just as much as Obama is but this thread is a massive overreaction to his comments. I'm glad he stuck his nose in, it's quite informative - as were the quotes from the Canadian politician in the other thread. I welcome both interventions equally. Do you condemn them both or just the one you disagree with?
 
FairwayDodger said:
Tashyboy, you're entitled to your opinion just as much as Obama is but this thread is a massive overreaction to his comments. I'm glad he stuck his nose in, it's quite informative - as were the quotes from the Canadian politician in the other thread. I welcome both interventions equally. Do you condemn them both or just the one you disagree with?
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I don't have a job because of this Government and the EU. that is fact. This government is now telling me I am better off in the EU. let me go off track a minute. My job in coal mining IS/ WAS dirty, it poisons the earth, this country will reduce its CO emissions by not producing it. I GET THAT. It has wiped its own coal industry out. Yet still imports coal which will produce more CO emissions due to transportation from the other side of the world. But that's ok coz there not our CO emissions. How is that right. MP Mark Spencer said we should be proud of coal mining coz it helped us win two world wars having our own energy. his hypocritical views are what upset me about the Tories.
People are rightly concerned because they do not know whether staying in or out is the right or wrong thing to vote for. People are rightly concerned because this MAY affect them in the future. Well Fairway Dodger this has already affected me and it is crap. My views on in or out are are based 100 % on fact not opinion and how many who have posted on here can say that.
I am angry with myself because I feel heartless towards steel workers (Wales and Redcar ) and others on here whose careers may suffer. But felt nothing for me and others who were discarded by Cameron's lies ( once more Mr Cameron said it will cost the taxpayer 75k per coal miner to keep him in a job ) when he could of applied to the EU for a grant to keep 3 mines open to 2018 minimum at NO COST TO THE TAXPAYER if he had applied to the EU for grant aid.
As far as I am concerned staying in the EU is only beneficial to the UK if it benefits the Tory governments policies.
Re Mr Obamas comments, as I have said already, the people from outside of this country seem more concerned of what they will lose and not what we will gain.
If the president of Romania, Greece, etc etc came to these shores and said the same as Mr Obama I would say exactly the same. Keep your nose out.
If Mr Cameron is not interested in saving UK jobs, why should I believe that Mr Obama or any other leader of its country is interested in UK Jobs.
 
Tashyboy said:
If Mr Cameron is not interested in saving UK jobs, why should I believe that Mr Obama or any other leader of its country is interested in UK Jobs.
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But it seems you are not interested in UK jobs yourself, only those in the coal-mining industry.

You suggest that jobs could have been saved at no cost to the tax-payer but who do you think would provide the grant aid. The tax-payers throughout the EU including those of the UK.

In your world should the Government be applying for similar grant aid for those whose jobs are under threat at BHS or is this only for those in previously nationalised industries.
 
MetalMickie said:
But it seems you are not interested in UK jobs yourself, only those in the coal-mining industry.

You suggest that jobs could have been saved at no cost to the tax-payer but who do you think would provide the grant aid. The tax-payers throughout the EU including those of the UK.

In your world should the Government be applying for similar grant aid for those whose jobs are under threat at BHS or is this only for those in previously nationalised industries.
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MM When Thoresby Colliery closed, it was the second best thing that could of happend to me. The best would of been the colliery staying open til 2018 with grant aid. Which would of been paid for by not just UK tax payers but every tax payer in the EU as you stated. The same money that your tax helped keep open coal mines in Poland, Germany, France, Czech etc etc. If my tax money can keep open European Collierys why could my tax not keep open my Colliery. Why because the application form that was submitted, stay sat on Mr Cameron's desk.
when people talk about us paying more in than we get out, our taxpayers money helped keep European miners in a job.
Re applying for state aid, it is not just for de nationalised industry, any company that was under threat that supplied the mining industry was also given aid. If said company became profitable within the time it was granted aid. Then it could stay open as long as it paid back the money to the EU. With the rise and fall of energy costs that was a possibility so aid could of been granted at no cost to any taxpayer.
Re BHS claiming for state aid, of course they should be able to apply for state aid if the rules allow. But that is not the question. The question is would it be in this governments interests to apply for state aid.

Re me not being interested in UK jobs. When I knew that the pit was closing I was not interested in any job for me, ( retired 😁) but it was heartbreaking seeing your best mates crack up. Two I " counselled" on the golf course, you do that for your pals, they felt totally useless. They are both fine now they are working. The other I have been talking to since last June. Last phone call was last weds when I was sat on a wall in Bibury by the river watching the trout in the Cotswolds on our break. 25mins we were talking about him now back with his wife after they split, his ex Bessie mates funeral is at Mansfield crem next Monday. Finished at the pit two years ago and died of a brain tumour aged 51. They were all passing bricks worrying about working, it was strange me not being bothered about working looking at guys who were holding onto false hope of EU aid. I suppose me not wanting to work helped me keep a level head with my pals who could not put abc or 123 into order. I am more than ok but you do not forget those times.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Actually I hope that I'm not the only person who finds the title of this thread rather offensive. I suppose the OP wouldn't get away with expressing the equivalent sentiment about Hillary Clinton given she supports Obama's views. Then again - I might think the same about Trump
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To use your own words
Oh my - you are easily offended - tell you what - if you don't like the title of the thread just ignore it eh?
So in your world, it's ok to be offensive to people, but only if you don't like them? :confused:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Actually I hope that I'm not the only person who finds the title of this thread rather offensive. I suppose the OP wouldn't get away with expressing the equivalent sentiment about Hillary Clinton given she supports Obama's views. Then again - I might think the same about Trump
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Got to agree with you there Hogey. Irrespective of my views on Obama's opinion, he's earned a greater level of respect.
 
Sky News poll out this morning seems to suggest Obama's comments have damaged the Remain campaign rather than help it.

Do you think he should have intervened? No 55% Yes 35%
Does Obama's support to remain make you more or less likely to vote to remain?
Less 29% More likely 22% No difference 49%
The proportion of Young people 18-34 who said prior to his comments that they were more likely to vote Remain due to Obama, fell 14 percentage points from 40% to 26%
Similarly 55+ age group who say they are less likely to vote remain because of Obama rose 16 points from 25% to 41%
 
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