President Obama grade one dick

Hacker Khan said:
Personally I think those that think the opinion of the leader of the biggest economy in the western world are irrelevant in a discussion about how we will fit in to a globalised economy, are just highlighting their introverted narrow minded little England mentality.

But of course other opinions are available ;)
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The UK is the biggest single investor in the US. the US is the biggest single investor in the UK. All without a trade deal and in spite of our membership of the EU. Do you really think the UK or indeed the US are going to turn their backs on that?
If we do vote for brexit, by the time it goes through Obama will be long gone. Therefore his views actually are pretty much irrelevant.
Funny how a British person standing up for Britain has somehow become narrow minded, introverted and part of a little England mentality.

But of course other opinions are available.
 
MetalMickie said:
Wrong!

I am in favour of remaining but can assure you my opinion of Boris Johnson would remain the same even if he was in the Stay camp.

An odious political opportunist of the worst sort who is best suited to presenting Have I Got News For You.

And no I am not a cuddly left -leaning liberal.
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Good post. I too detest Boris, especially for his cynical opportunist behaviour, but it won't stop me voting out. A federal Europe, NO! A European trading bloc, absolutely!
 
Obama's comments inevitabl given he'll see all the benefit and none of the cost.

Ultimately if he were a citizen, he might have a slightly different view of laws on sovereignty and immigration.

Can't imagine him going back stateside and extolling the virtues of Canada setting laws and free movement with Latin America! As much as I like the guy.
 
Good enough to die in American-led wars but apparently not good enough to have a trade deal?.... Apparently my friends who died dont really matter? because we belong at the "Back of the queue"?

Go do one Obama!

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murphthemog said:
He is currently to be found chunking it round the Grove, in Watford. Judging from the massive police presence, and the general emptiness of the golf course, excepting one four ball, with an entourage, and a tall left handed black golfer.

Nice day for it though.
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Did Blundell recommend the course to him…….. :whistle:
 
MegaSteve said:
Big rally, in Hanover today, against the much vaunted EU-US trade agreement...

How long before 'Deutschexit' ???
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The NHS Unions have been campaigning against TPIP as they say it will encourage more privatisation of the NHS but they all seem to be for staying in :confused:
 
"Dear Mr Obama,

I would like to express my thanks about your rant regarding Britain's potential exit from the EU and its position in terms of the trade deal you are negotiating. This has led me to researching the TTIP trade agreement.

WOW!

It would appear you've also woken up a number of MP's to the dangers of this very one sided agreement. I note the U.S. brokered an agreement under the same terms with South Korea, and the growth in jobs and investment appears to be 40,000 jobs lost and a drop in GDP of £3.5 billion.

Further to that, the agreement also permits big businesses to sue governments for loss of business without going through the courts, using secret panels made up of business leaders.

I would like to think that you have been misrepresented in this but it would appear that it is the big corporations of America that have 'bought off' the legislature in lobbying for these agreements.

Thank god our special relationship, and the relationship your country has with the rest of Europe, can be sold down the river to bolster the profits of big business in America.

your special friend,

Hobbit"
 
I'm amazed no politician or reporter has pointed out the fact that trade deals work both ways. The US does a great amount of trade with the UK and none of those companies will want that thrown away. Will US companies exporting to the UK be happy at being at the back of the queue? These were really ill advised comments by Obama.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I'm amazed no politician or reporter has pointed out the fact that trade deals work both ways. The US does a great amount of trade with the UK and none of those companies will want that thrown away. Will US companies exporting to the UK be happy at being at the back of the queue? These were really ill advised comments by Obama.
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I rather think his comments were para phrased from Cameron and his associates.

You make a very good point regarding trade restrictions, we are one of the USA's biggest customers and doing anything to restrict our business would not be in their favour. The other point is that we don't have a free trade deal now so what would change if we 'Leave'? Nothing thats what would change.

I am disgusted by some of our Ministers,especially Cameron, they seem to have so little faith in their country and will not admit to any benefits of leaving the EU. Not a single one! :angry: I watched Teresa May on the Andrew Mar program, when the point was continually put to her that she would have no powers to control EU immigration; she gave out a diatribe of complete waffle, she tried to suggest that they are talking about trying to have more control over not allowing serial killers into the country from the EU as if that would be a great victory on controlling numbers :rolleyes: I used to think she was going to be good in Government, now I see her for what she really is: A two faced power hungry, self interested sycophant.
 
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SocketRocket said:
I rather think his comments were para phrased from Cameron and his associates.

You make a very good point regarding trade restrictions, we are one of the USA's biggest customers and doing anything to restrict our business would not be in their favour. The other point is that we don't have a free trade deal now so what would change if we 'Leave'? Nothing thats what would change.

I am disgusted by some of our Ministers,especially Cameron, they seem to have so little faith in their country and will not admit to any benefits of leaving the EU. Not a single one! :angry: I watched Teresa May on the Andrew Mar program, when the point was continually put to her that she would have no powers to control EU immigration; she gave out a diatribe of complete waffle, she tried to suggest that they are talking about trying to have more control over not allowing serial killers into the country from the EU as if that would be a great victory on controlling numbers :rolleyes: I used to think she was going to be good in Government, now I see her for what she really is: A two faced power hungry, self interested sycophant.
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Little faith in the country, letting serial killers in - this sort of vacuous drivel is what the leave campaign is built on, an puffed-up sense of self-importance and paranoia. It is the equivalent of jumping out of a plane and having faith someone packed a parachute.

The US does a lot more trade with the EU than UK, and will prioritise accordingly. The special relationship is a figment of people's imagination, and the delusion has been maintained only by the shared language. Obama cares no more about the UK than he does Germany, France or Spain. Nor will Hillary and Trump is worse again.
 
If you look behind the headlines it's obvious the US wants a solid and coherant EU, with the UK in it, to help contain and constrain Putin and his cohorts.
Do we really still think we are that all conquering Empire that once was? We are that biggish fish in a small pond, rather that than the small fish in a big pond.
 
MetalMickie said:
Wrong!

I am in favour of remaining but can assure you my opinion of Boris Johnson would remain the same even if he was in the Stay camp.

An odious political opportunist of the worst sort who is best suited to presenting Have I Got News For You.

And no I am not a cuddly left -leaning liberal.
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This ^^^^
 
Ethan said:
Little faith in the country, letting serial killers in - this sort of vacuous drivel is what the leave campaign is built on, an puffed-up sense of self-importance and paranoia. It is the equivalent of jumping out of a plane and having faith someone packed a parachute.

The US does a lot more trade with the EU than UK, and will prioritise accordingly. The special relationship is a figment of people's imagination, and the delusion has been maintained only by the shared language. Obama cares no more about the UK than he does Germany, France or Spain. Nor will Hillary and Trump is worse again.
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And this - and I suppose we'll now be hearing that the views of Hillary Clinton on the UK and EU don't matter and are uncalled for - oh we already have - with criticisms of the usual supeficiality and pettiness
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And this - and I suppose we'll now be hearing that the views of Hillary Clinton on the UK and EU don't matter and are uncalled for - oh we already have - with criticisms of the usual supeficiality and pettiness
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How many times have you criticised DC, the Tories and Westminster for having a say in Scottish politics and the referendum? We had months and months of you and Doon criticising for interference, yet all of a sudden you're happy to accept it on the EU issue.

Rhetorical question; what would someone call someone else who says no, no, no but then says it's absolutely the right thing to do. Is it hippopotamus? No that doesn't sound right. Hypodermic? No, no not that.

By all means view it as petty and superficial, but at least it isn't hypocritical.
 
I watched President Obama interviewed by Huw Edwards on Breakfast this morning, and thought some of what he's said recently was almost mischievous, as there was frequently a smile playing around his lips as he answered dear old Huw's somewhat (po-faced on behalf of the pro-exit outraged masses) questions.

Sadly I believe no matter what is said in the next 8 weeks the vote will be to exit. The underlying agenda seems to have been set pretty effectively by the gutter press and Sky News, and if a straw poll of our group of 20 odd voters at the golf club is representative of the mood of the nation, then the figures in respect of opinion polls are going to be well out. Looks to me that once again the 'Conservatives' are being rather disengenous with their answers to the pollsters.
 
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MetalMickie said:
Wrong!

I am in favour of remaining but can assure you my opinion of Boris Johnson would remain the same even if he was in the Stay camp.

An odious political opportunist of the worst sort who is best suited to presenting Have I Got News For You.

And no I am not a cuddly left -leaning liberal.
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Whatever your or anyone else's views on Boris, he is at least entitled to air his views on on the EU question, unlike Obama or anyone else who don't get a vote on the matter.
 
Ethan said:
Little faith in the country, letting serial killers in - this sort of vacuous drivel is what the leave campaign is built on, an puffed-up sense of self-importance and paranoia. It is the equivalent of jumping out of a plane and having faith someone packed a parachute.

The US does a lot more trade with the EU than UK, and will prioritise accordingly. The special relationship is a figment of people's imagination, and the delusion has been maintained only by the shared language. Obama cares no more about the UK than he does Germany, France or Spain. Nor will Hillary and Trump is worse again.
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If anyone wants a lesson in drivel then look no further than your above rhetoric, it is typical of your petty bigoted vitriolic manner that smacks of someone with serious attitude problems.

Did you watch the Andrew Marr program? I doubt it. When it was put to her that she had stood on a policy of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands and she was advocating us staying in the EU where she had no control at all. She responded by talking about challenges to the ECHR relating to being able to restrict the right of serious EU criminals to have automatic right to UK residence. Marr put it to her that this would not have any significant effect on EU immigration, she had no answer to that beyond making her repeated claims that this was 'very important'. If this is 'vacuous drivel' it is drivel that came out of the home secretaries mouth.

Regarding my point on free trade agreements with the USA. I said that we don't have one now and if we leave the EU we wont have one then so there wont be any difference. Can you explain in a civil manner (if thats possible) what is wrong with that statement please.

Regarding 'special relationships' I never mentioned that so maybe you can explain why you have suggested I did.
 
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SocketRocket said:
If anyone wants a lesson in drivel then look no further than your above rhetoric, it is typical of your petty bigoted vitriolic manner that smacks of someone with serious attitude problems.

Did you watch the Andrew Marr program? I doubt it. When it was put to her that she had stood on a policy of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands and she was advocating us staying in the EU where she had no control at all. She responded by talking about challenges to the ECHR relating to being able to restrict the right of serious EU criminals to have automatic right to UK residence. Marr put it to her that this would not have any significant effect on EU immigration, she had no answer to that beyond making her repeated claims that this was 'very important'. If this is 'vacuous drivel' it is drivel that came out of the home secretaries mouth.

Regarding my point on free trade agreements with the USA. I said that we don't have one now and if we leave the EU we wont have one then so there wont be any difference. Can you explain in a civil manner (if thats possible) what is wrong with that statement please.

Regarding 'special relationships' I never mentioned that so maybe you can explain why you have suggested I did.
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The Brexit campaign is built on an arrogant and self deluding idea that Britain is inherently better than Johnny Foreigner and is just being held back by the EU. It is up to you Brexiteers to prove that is the case, not just make a fantasy case based on wishful thinking and pseudo-patriotic flag waving.

The issue of serious criminals, as you put it, flooding into the UK is one dreamt up by The Mail and The Sun.

We need EU immigrants if our health service and other public services are to remain staffed. That doesn't preclude other immigrants.
 
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