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https://www.skysports.com/football/...-form-more-than-just-a-blip-says-gary-neville
Very good article by Gary Neville on him.
Kasper is an excellent keeper. Very underated
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-form-more-than-just-a-blip-says-gary-neville
Very good article by Gary Neville on him.
Kasper is an excellent keeper. Very underated
As above, Lloris is as inconsistent imo but no worse, Patricio is the Wolves keeper and I put him above current DG. Heaton and Pope are ones that I would trust more right now as well. That has taken us down to 7 keepers before picking him. There are others I would have as equivalent right now as well.
For those who still rate him, Pauljames87 and myself are not criticising old DG, we are rating him based on the last 24 months. Old DG was top 3 in the world for me. How long do you play someone based on a dip in form and when do you acknowledge it may be more than that? 2 years is a pretty long dip.
Slime
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.................. and then Heaton and Pope are mentioned!
Seriously?
Bazz
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Patricio never gets anywhere near the respect he deserves. But of course, I'm biased.
I think his level has dropped.
that being said, he usually still pulls of his fair share of quality that others wouldn’t. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a keeper save as many shots with his feet as DDG.
re the list. I’d have him 3rd atm. The keeps at the smaller clubs could change my mind if they got a shot at a big club, but its a whole different ball game when at the to- clubs. Plenty of keepers have looked the best if the bunch before Or after their big move failed.
Kellfire
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Right now Henderson and Schmeichel are playing better than DDG, without doubt. I’d bring Henderson back next year to rival DDG.
USER1999
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Some nasty stud marks on Mustafi's head this morning from being kicked by Vardy. Can't really see how this wasn't deemed dangerous play.
in recent years DDG has quite often faced more shots than any keeper in the top half. At his peak he single handedly got em top 4, it I agree that’s not usually the norm.
That being said, the logic in my thinking is that shot stopping is only part of the task. The best keepers are there when needed most. facing/saving more shots but at a lower % Doesn’t make a keeper better.
Some examples that come to mind for me over the years are. Freidel (at villa), James (pompey), mignolet (Sunderland). All got lots of plaudits as promising or best of the rest. But none could perform as well when they had their shot.
Bazz
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I answered it myself hence the deleted post
Think we saw with Alisson against the Villa, didn't have much to do but was on it when needed, the top keepers concentration has to be switched on at all times as they'll have large parts of the game doing bugger all.
I answered it myself hence the deleted post
Think we saw with Alisson against the Villa, didn't have much to do but was on it when needed, the top keepers concentration has to be switched on at all times as they'll have large parts of the game doing bugger all.
Exactly. Hence why until one of the guys mentioned gets a move and proves they’re better than just saving shots whilst busy. I’ll reserve judgement.
Personally for England I’d like to see Henderson start at UTD, but that would be a massive call.
clubchamp98
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Because he had his head 12” off the ground.
They both fell over and he head butted the back of Vardys boot.
Accidents happen in a contact sport.
Orikoru
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You cannot put De Gea down to form now, he's been poor for a good two years. It's a decline. I don't know what went wrong for him, maybe he peaked earlier than goalies normally do because he broke through so young. But he just doesn't make the saves he used to make, and just looks an average Premier League shot stopper these days. Go back 3 years and he was the best keeper in the world. Now he's maybe the 4th best in the Prem.
clubchamp98
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I still think he’s a great keeper.
But at a club like Man Utd his high profile mistakes get highlited.
And he has made a few the last couple of seasons.
Before that how many mom trophy’s did he win , lots.
Something is wrong could be in his head concentrating, who knows , strange one.
Maybe a top rival is needed ,not out on loan to push him for his place.
Orikoru
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A few? I read that he's made 7 mistakes leading to goals this season alone. The joint highest in the league. It used to be the United's defence crapping the bed and he was the one bailing them out.
PaulS
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Interesting couple of questions
On the Man Utd front three vs Liverpool front three surely you go with the established proven group that have helped their team win all before them. Man Utd look bright and a lot of potential but Martial has had that potential for a number of years now and can’t find any consistency, Rashford I’m not sure can find the best position for him and doesn’t seem to score enough from open play - Greenwood looks a talent that’s for sure. But until they can do it consistently and get their team over the line then it’s the Liverpool bunch handsdown
On to the question on De Gea - it wasn’t long ago he was the best in the world and he is understand the best paid player in the league but he has had issues over the last couple of years that has dropped out of that top level that we currently see Alisson sit at with Ederson just behind.
The Premiership has a number of good GK’s behind the top two - Henderson , Patricio and De Gea are probably the best of the next bunch. What Man Utd do next year with Henderson and De Gea will be interesting- can see De Gea going and Henderson being given his chance .
Either way I’ll take any of them at Bristol City
On the Man Utd front three vs Liverpool front three surely you go with the established proven group that have helped their team win all before them. Man Utd look bright and a lot of potential but Martial has had that potential for a number of years now and can’t find any consistency, Rashford I’m not sure can find the best position for him and doesn’t seem to score enough from open play - Greenwood looks a talent that’s for sure. But until they can do it consistently and get their team over the line then it’s the Liverpool bunch handsdown
On to the question on De Gea - it wasn’t long ago he was the best in the world and he is understand the best paid player in the league but he has had issues over the last couple of years that has dropped out of that top level that we currently see Alisson sit at with Ederson just behind.
The Premiership has a number of good GK’s behind the top two - Henderson , Patricio and De Gea are probably the best of the next bunch. What Man Utd do next year with Henderson and De Gea will be interesting- can see De Gea going and Henderson being given his chance .
Either way I’ll take any of them at Bristol City
Bunkermagnet
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DDG......many seem to think he’s gone off the boil and on the way down, but how much of that is due to the manager he has?
It is said a good manager improves a player and brings more out of that player, but likewise can the wrong manager diminish a players performance?
It is said a good manager improves a player and brings more out of that player, but likewise can the wrong manager diminish a players performance?
Beezerk
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I'm just trying to imagine how a bad manager can make you let the ball slip through your hands, let the ball slip through your legs or position yourself badly for a cross/shot ?
Junior
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Forms temporary. I think that through my red tinted glasses OGS is doing the right thing by sticking with DDG. His form doesn't warrant him being dropped at all. To drop him and have him lose confidence would be the worse move.
Just for context though.....since we got done by the Scousers at the mid/end of Jan, Man U have :-
- played 17 and kept a clean sheet in 12.
- Scored 45 and conceded 5. Granted, these stats include putting 5 past LASK, Tangmere and Brugge. But, we also kept clean sheets against City (twice), Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves.
As is the old adage with keepers, when they make a mistake, they are suddenly thrust into the limelight.
Just for context though.....since we got done by the Scousers at the mid/end of Jan, Man U have :-
- played 17 and kept a clean sheet in 12.
- Scored 45 and conceded 5. Granted, these stats include putting 5 past LASK, Tangmere and Brugge. But, we also kept clean sheets against City (twice), Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves.
As is the old adage with keepers, when they make a mistake, they are suddenly thrust into the limelight.
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They still do!! Maguire is very overrated imo, poor positional play often ends in the too many last ditch tackles he likes to make.
But he's Yernited captain and England's 1st choice so this gets overlooked.
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.................. and then Heaton and Pope are mentioned!
Seriously?
??? That's almost as outrageous as your "yernited have the best back 4" shout earlier this season?
