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[4LEX]

Problem for me with Mourinho is he doesn't just work with what he's got and he doesn't work with youth he overlooks them for the instant fox with big cash spend and I can't see Spurs having those funds available and if they do suddenly appear surely that says more about the board not backing Poch financially if it turns out they had it all along..

As for Son not a chance Poch takes him somewhere like Real he maybe decent in a Spurs squad but he is in no way even a bench warmer player at a team like Real,, that's a hugely overrating of a player.

Erm not really true. Mourinho got abuse for the way he handled Shaw but he was looking a proper player and has nosedived since Mourinho left. McTominay was thrown in by Mourinho and Rashford was played on a regular basis. In fact it's only since Ole moved Rashford back to the left (the position Mourinho played him) has he started playing well again. And Lingard was given games under Mourinho and looks a shadow of the player he was.

Very harsh on Son. Every team needs a workhorse like that with a bit of quality thrown in. See Pedro at Barce and Park at Man Utd back in the day. If you don't think Son would get a game at Real you obviously haven't seen them for 18 months!

 

[Wolf]

Have you not seen him play or something?? In terms of wingers he's only really behind Mane, Salah and Sterling, and maybe Sane if he was fit. The lad is exceptional - and more two-footed than any of those four I just mentioned.

Yes I've seen him play, yes he works hard and like I said he's a decent player. Doesn't change my opinion of him not being good enough for Real, I've said it 3 times now Son is decent but imo he is not world class and Real won't sign someone in that position that is not world class.

In terms of forward players they have the likes of Bale struggling to make the starting line up. Son maybe a work horse and get into Premier league teams but he is and I'll stick by my point and be immovable on it not good enough for Real Madrid

 

[Wolf]

Erm not really true. Mourinho got abuse for the way he handled Shaw but he was looking a proper player and has nosedived since Mourinho left. McTominay was thrown in by Mourinho and Rashford was played on a regular basis. In fact it's only since Ole moved Rashford back to the left (the position Mourinho played him) has he started playing well again. And Lingard was given games under Mourinho and looks a shadow of the player he was.

Very harsh on Son. Every team needs a workhorse like that with a bit of quality thrown in. See Pedro at Barce and Park at Man Utd back in the day. If you don't think Son would get a game at Real you obviously haven't seen them for 18 months!

Actually it's very true.. Shaw was a big money buy from outside the club that struggled whilst Mourinho was there, did Mourinho improve him possibly but one player improving doesn't make him the messiah, as for Rashford and McTominay again 2 youth team players developed in how many years of English management. He stifled the Chelsea youth system all the whilst he was there it's only recently post Mourinho more faith has been put back into their youth system. Plus regardless of your 3 examples it's proof in the pudding he spends big to get results and not done with bringing youth through.

Also not harsh on Son I stand by my comments above, decent player not world class. As for work horse that he maybe but Real don't sign work horses as forwards generally, they sign world class players and put the work horses in the middle of the park but they still have to be exceptional in other areas.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yes I've seen him play, yes he works hard and like I said he's a decent player. Doesn't change my opinion of him not being good enough for Real, I've said it 3 times now Son is decent but imo he is not world class and Real won't sign someone in that position that is not world class.

In terms of forward players they have the likes of Bale struggling to make the starting line up. Son maybe a work horse and get into Premier league teams but he is and I'll stick by my point and be immovable on it not good enough for Real Madrid

To be fair Madrid once signed Julian faubert off us on loan and he was pony lol

 

[Wolf]

To be fair Madrid once signed Julian faubert off us on loan and he was pony lol

Everyone makes mistakes I guess 😂
Didn't he only manage 2 appearances before being shipped back you 😂

 

[Orikoru]

Yes I've seen him play, yes he works hard and like I said he's a decent player. Doesn't change my opinion of him not being good enough for Real, I've said it 3 times now Son is decent but imo he is not world class and Real won't sign someone in that position that is not world class.

In terms of forward players they have the likes of Bale struggling to make the starting line up. Son maybe a work horse and get into Premier league teams but he is and I'll stick by my point and be immovable on it not good enough for Real Madrid

Agree to disagree I guess, but I just thought you were simultaneously underrating Son slightly and overrating Madrid slightly. Bale's issue is attitude, not quality, and you couldn't fault Son's attitude. In fairness I was working on the basis that the Real team is not what it was. In their classic teams someone like Son may not have made it, but right now they are playing guys like Lucas Vazquez who seems like the Spanish Lingard to me - and Vinicius, a youngster who has flattered to deceive by all accounts. James Rodriguez was practically forced out of the club but even he's come back and got some games. I think Son would improve them. I'm going to stop now because it sounds like I actually want them to buy him.

 

[harpo_72]

This sacking is a bit short sighted, he had players who want to leave and they did not get some fresh blood in. I know they have to run it like a business but if you want to match the top teams you do need to spend out on something or take a long view.
Mourinho has come back twice to the premier league .. he has got worse on each return. He also isn't a team player and claims that he won those cups.
He will do little or no good for Spurs, hope the other premier league sides look at the January transfer window to do some asset stripping of Spurs.

 

[Orikoru]

This sacking is a bit short sighted, he had players who want to leave and they did not get some fresh blood in. I know they have to run it like a business but if you want to match the top teams you do need to spend out on something or take a long view.
Mourinho has come back twice to the premier league .. he has got worse on each return. He also isn't a team player and claims that he won those cups.
He will do little or no good for Spurs, hope the other premier league sides look at the January transfer window to do some asset stripping of Spurs.

We bought three players! Ok we neglected right back, but it's not like we spent zero again. Ndombele and Lo Celso were significant additions, and Sessegnon was a good young player who might have provided competition had he not been injured already.

As ever we don't know what percentage of this is true as the 'source' is unnamed, but quite enlightening to read the possible reasons for our poor season thus far: https://www.football365.com/news/report-reveals-inside-story-of-pochettinos-sacking-at-spurs

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Everyone makes mistakes I guess 😂
Didn't he only manage 2 appearances before being shipped back you 😂

Pictured asleep on the bench lol

 

[Slime]

When I heard JM got the job, I nearly wet the bed!
I think the only winner here will be Poch.
JM is all about himself and I sit here wondering who will be the first Spurs player to be publicly called out by Jose.
If I were a Spurs supporter, I'd be extremely nervous.
I also hear that he's not got the job title of Manager, but he is the new Head Coach.
Is that significant?
I really don't know.

 

[Dando]

Yes I've seen him play, yes he works hard and like I said he's a decent player. Doesn't change my opinion of him not being good enough for Real, I've said it 3 times now Son is decent but imo he is not world class and Real won't sign someone in that position that is not world class.

In terms of forward players they have the likes of Bale struggling to make the starting line up. Son maybe a work horse and get into Premier league teams but he is and I'll stick by my point and be immovable on it not good enough for Real Madrid

To be fair, son will fit right in at real as they’re not shy of dishing out malicious tackles

 

[4LEX]

Actually it's very true.. Shaw was a big money buy from outside the club that struggled whilst Mourinho was there, did Mourinho improve him possibly but one player improving doesn't make him the messiah, as for Rashford and McTominay again 2 youth team players developed in how many years of English management. He stifled the Chelsea youth system all the whilst he was there it's only recently post Mourinho more faith has been put back into their youth system. Plus regardless of your 3 examples it's proof in the pudding he spends big to get results and not done with bringing youth through.

Also not harsh on Son I stand by my comments above, decent player not world class. As for work horse that he maybe but Real don't sign work horses as forwards generally, they sign world class players and put the work horses in the middle of the park but they still have to be exceptional in other areas.

It was true at Chelsea and Real but they wanted results first. There was no time and no failure, it was win or out and that is why he didn't bring the youngsters through. You've also got to take into account if you're one of the Top 3 sides in the world then it's much tougher for a youth team player from that club to make the step up, which impacts on giving youth a chance. Common sense you'd have thought anyway.... Lampard has only done it this season because theres a transfer ban and absolutely no pressure. It's been an impressive start but let's see what happens over the whole season.

At Man Utd he did bring in and improve more youth/young players. Although this was probably down to the fact the level was nowhere near the level he was used to and it was easier for them to get games.

Real do sign workhorses. Watch Benzema these days....he's got a bit of class but is generally a workhorse in the middle that feeds the wingers. They've got nothing upfront and even Hazard has done his usual disappearing act he does every other season. Son would go straight into the side, even in the middle due to his work rate.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Problem for me with Mourinho is he doesn't just work with what he's got and he doesn't work with youth he overlooks them for the instant fox with big cash spend and I can't see Spurs having those funds available and if they do suddenly appear surely that says more about the board not backing Poch financially if it turns out they had it all along..

As for Son not a chance Poch takes him somewhere like Real he maybe decent in a Spurs squad but he is in no way even a bench warmer player at a team like Real,, that's a hugely overrating of a player.

Totally disagree with this, Son if anything is underrated. Hes fantastic and a real threat offensively

If I had a choice of any spurs player I'd have SON at Anfield no problem.

 

[Wolf]

Totally disagree with this, Son if anything is underrated. Hes fantastic and a real threat offensively

If I had a choice of any spurs player I'd have SON at Anfield no problem.

Then I'm happy to disagree, I've watched him a few times and as I've said he's decent but not world class, and you're sure you'd take him over any Spurs player 🤔

Surely most people would choose to have Kane as the pick of the bunch seeing as he's a much better goal scorer and would further improve a team whereas I don't see Son improving Liverpool at all.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Then I'm happy to disagree, I've watched him a few times and as I've said he's decent but not world class, and you're sure you'd take him over any Spurs player 🤔

Surely most people would choose to have Kane as the pick of the bunch seeing as he's a much better goal scorer and would further improve a team whereas I don't see Son improving Liverpool at all.

I would take Son as well , very much underrated and would be a great fit for the way we play

Kane isn’t the type of player who would fit in with the way out front three work so Son for me would be the better fit

 

[Wolf]

I would take Son as well , very much underrated and would be a great fit for the way we play

Kane isn’t the type of player who would fit in with the way out front three work so Son for me would be the better fit

Fair enough we're all entitled to our opinions and I'll stick with mine.

Also pretty sure Harry Kane is intelligent enough a player to fit in to any system and would chip in with plenty of goals. But what do I know..

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Then I'm happy to disagree, I've watched him a few times and as I've said he's decent but not world class, and you're sure you'd take him over any Spurs player 🤔

Surely most people would choose to have Kane as the pick of the bunch seeing as he's a much better goal scorer and would further improve a team whereas I don't see Son improving Liverpool at all.

Yes.

We'd have to change how we play to incorporate Kane. That doesnt mean I dont rate Kane.

 

[clubchamp98]

Totally disagree with this, Son if anything is underrated. Hes fantastic and a real threat offensively

If I had a choice of any spurs player I'd have SON at Anfield no problem.

Yes as a player I agree.
But his tackling needs a bit of work!

 

[clubchamp98]

I would take Son as well , very much underrated and would be a great fit for the way we play

Kane isn’t the type of player who would fit in with the way out front three work so Son for me would be the better fit

I think Kane would adapt to any team .
He would fit into Liverpool no problem imo.
It would give us options in attacking.
We would lose Firminos work rate but gain a quality finisher.
Can’t see it anyway so it’s irelavent.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I think Kane would adapt to any team .
He would fit into Liverpool no problem imo.
It would give us options in attacking.
We would lose Firminos work rate but gain a quality finisher.
Can’t see it anyway so it’s irelavent.

Son could play in any of the front 3 pisitions and still score/assist, kane couldn't. Anyway its all hypothetical.