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[Hobbit]

Was Son giving out some afters, or was he chasing back and mistimed the tackle? Is his recent history down to clumsy tackles or is he cynical? Only Son can answer the first question. As for the second question; All Premiership players can tackle, some better than others. Son isn't afraid to dish it out.

Should it have been a red card? Yes, because of what it led to. If the threat of a red leads to better tackles, and reduces the chances of injuries like we saw yesterday, it should be in the ref's armoury.

VAR; its needed in the game but the people using it need some guidelines. It takes seconds to look at an incident, and seconds more to review it twice. Make a decision, and move on. And to improve the excitement, when there's a highly debatable offside, always give it to the attacking side. I'm against giving captains/managers 3 reviews, like cricket. Football is played at pace, and pace can be an advantage. Stopping a team taking a quick free kick, allowing a team to get 11 men behind the ball by using a review - no.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

A still photo is extremely misleading.

In the one shown it equally appears that Snodgrass has only just played the ball so Son's challenge is not that sinister.

Also players unfortunately get their feet and ankles trodden on as a result of mistimed tackles. It doesn't mean that there is an intention to hurt the opponent.

I watched the game, the ball was long gone and he continued running (ample time to stop) and made the "tackle"

Even the pundits said he was lucky and next season they would expect VAR to pick that up.

Little did they know VAR would fail lol

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I watched the game, the ball was long gone and he continued running (ample time to stop) and made the "tackle"

Even the pundits said he was lucky and next season they would expect VAR to pick that up.

Little did they know VAR would fail lol

If the ball was long gone why was Snodgrass still in the position of someone who has just released the ball?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If the ball was long gone why was Snodgrass still in the position of someone who has just released the ball?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1123260883206070272

Judge for yourself

Balls gone, plenty of time to stop.. turns away to hide the fact he's caught him

If he was this nice guy he portrays he would have helped Snodgrass up, sorry for that didn't mean to catch you

He knew exactly what he was doing

 

[Rlburnside]

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Look at the picture again, ignore the fact it's west ham for a minute. Rice has the ball in that pic. Snodgrass no longer has it.. son has "tackled" him without the ball full stop. Stamping on his ankle. Could have seriously injured him.

Then against Bournemouth son gets sent off for lashing out at one of their players. It's said it's because he had a few fouls on him let go and it was frustration....

Yesterday it's said oh Gomez elbowed him in the face.

So we have a player with a history of looking for on the pitch retaliation.. clean players don't do that.

You mention Roy Keane.. he did leave late tackles in.. but he didn't hide it...you knew he was a dirty bugger.

However son hides behind the lovely guy routine

Doesn't wash

Don’t know about the tackle but either Snodgrass has a very big head or that picture has been photo shopped 😂😂

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Don’t know about the tackle but either Snodgrass has a very big head or that picture has been photo shopped 😂😂

100% massive head old Snodgrass

 

[Rlburnside]

100% massive head old Snodgrass

😂. You’re right looks like Son did deliberately tread on his toes.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Perhaps its time to follow rugbys rules where a late or off the ball tackle results in a yellow card and 10 mins in the sin bin.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

😂. You’re right looks like Son did deliberately tread on his toes.

Don't get me wrong Snodgrass prob deserved it lol he winds people up on the pitch. However can't buy that sons this 100% nice guy .. nicest man in football

He's got a nasty streak

 

[TheDiablo]

Was Son giving out some afters, or was he chasing back and mistimed the tackle? Is his recent history down to clumsy tackles or is he cynical? Only Son can answer the first question. As for the second question; All Premiership players can tackle, some better than others. Son isn't afraid to dish it out.

Should it have been a red card? Yes, because of what it led to. If the threat of a red leads to better tackles, and reduces the chances of injuries like we saw yesterday, it should be in the ref's armoury.

VAR; its needed in the game but the people using it need some guidelines. It takes seconds to look at an incident, and seconds more to review it twice. Make a decision, and move on. And to improve the excitement, when there's a highly debatable offside, always give it to the attacking side. I'm against giving captains/managers 3 reviews, like cricket. Football is played at pace, and pace can be an advantage. Stopping a team taking a quick free kick, allowing a team to get 11 men behind the ball by using a review - no.

With offside, you need it to be consistent from game to game or what's the point of it - you can't just say 'give a close one to the attacking team' and leave it up to the VAR ref to call what that means. If that's the case you may as well leave it to the lino. So wherever you 'draw' the line, it will always result in highly marginal calls.

I've always been against VAR, but if it has to stay id prefer it to be more like the rugby model. VAR only gets involved when asked to review by an on field official after a goal or red card to check something obvious hasn't been missed in the build up, or for some gross misconduct the ref has missed. It's too subjective to watch 20 different angles at different speeds to then decide if enough contact has been made for a pen or whatever.

Cricket model will lead to a load of tactical reviews. No losing side will ever NOT use up their reviews, especially late on, for often frivolous, chancing reviews. Slow the game right down and cause even more controversy.

 

[clubchamp98]

I see the Liverpool boys liked this post but no mention by them of Manes dive yesterday or any other day.

You couldn’t make it up.😂

You have just made this up!
I posted you an answer but you have chosen not to acknowledge it
SEE POST 4607 .
It deals with Manes dive from a Liverpool lad as you say.

 

[Orikoru]

A still photo is extremely misleading.

In the one shown it equally appears that Snodgrass has only just played the ball so Son's challenge is not that sinister.

Also players unfortunately get their feet and ankles trodden on as a result of mistimed tackles. It doesn't mean that there is an intention to hurt the opponent.

I agree with this, @pauljames87 - you can make any tackle look worse with a screenshot of the impact. I think he was just a bit late there and catches Snodgrass. I'm not seeing any malicious intent. Son is a very competitive player and puts himself about, and we certainly have a couple of players with a nasty streak in them - Dier, Lamela, Dele - but I would not rank Son in that category at all. Almost every player has put a couple of late tackles in at one point or another it's just part of the game.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Incidentally, I know a number of media outlets have refs running through incidents at the weekend. Has any of them given an explanation why the penalty was not given for the Alli hand ball yesterday? He jumps in the penalty area with his arms above his head, the ball clearly strikes his forearm, no penalty. I fully get why the onfield ref didn't give it, not clear to eye in real speed, but to the VAR it was as clear as you like.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I agree with this, @pauljames87 - you can make any tackle look worse with a screenshot of the impact. I think he was just a bit late there and catches Snodgrass. I'm not seeing any malicious intent. Son is a very competitive player and puts himself about, and we certainly have a couple of players with a nasty streak in them - Dier, Lamela, Dele - but I would not rank Son in that category at all. Almost every player has put a couple of late tackles in at one point or another it's just part of the game.

Incase you missed the link to the video

Balls gone
Catches him
Acts like nothing to see here didn't touch him

https://twitter.com/x/status/1123260883206070272

 

[Orikoru]

Incase you missed the link to the video

Balls gone
Catches him
Acts like nothing to see here didn't touch him

https://twitter.com/x/status/1123260883206070272

I saw the video. It's late - it happens 15 times a game.

 

[Orikoru]

Incidentally, I know a number of media outlets have refs running through incidents at the weekend. Has any of them given an explanation why the penalty was not given for the Alli hand ball yesterday? He jumps in the penalty area with his arms above his head, the ball clearly strikes his forearm, no penalty. I fully get why the onfield ref didn't give it, not clear to eye in real speed, but to the VAR it was as clear as you like.

During the VAR review I felt so sure there were going to give it. Then when it went on for 2 more minutes I thought that it cannot be clear and obvious so maybe it won't.. and then it wasn't given. Certainly hit his arm so that wasn't a point of debate. I didn't realise until Dele said in his post-match interview, but Mina hits him in the back of the head with his elbow, and in real time you see him go down from that impact afterwards (this part was cut from the VAR review of course). So when you watch it back again you see the elbow hit him and that's why his head goes down and his arm goes up - human instinct when you get hit in the back of the head basically. I can only imagine that that contact is why they haven't awarded a handball.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I saw the video. It's late - it happens 15 times a game.

Makes it ok? Yesterday he was late. Well Gomez was gone before he even made the tackle. He caused Gomez to stumble .. causing his injury

Needs a long hard look at himself

 

[Hobbit]

Incidentally, I know a number of media outlets have refs running through incidents at the weekend. Has any of them given an explanation why the penalty was not given for the Alli hand ball yesterday? He jumps in the penalty area with his arms above his head, the ball clearly strikes his forearm, no penalty. I fully get why the onfield ref didn't give it, not clear to eye in real speed, but to the VAR it was as clear as you like.

For me, Alli made a second movement upwards with his arm when it became obvious he wasn't going to get near the ball. It was a clear penalty in my eyes. Who on earth jumps up like that with their arms above their head?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

During the VAR review I felt so sure there were going to give it. Then when it went on for 2 more minutes I thought that it cannot be clear and obvious so maybe it won't.. and then it wasn't given. Certainly hit his arm so that wasn't a point of debate. I didn't realise until Dele said in his post-match interview, but Mina hits him in the back of the head with his elbow, and in real time you see him go down from that impact afterwards (this part was cut from the VAR review of course). So when you watch it back again you see the elbow hit him and that's why his head goes down and his arm goes up - human instinct when you get hit in the back of the head basically. I can only imagine that that contact is why they haven't awarded a handball.

It should have been a free kick then. It is one or the other, surely? Mina is a big man, jumps well. He outjumped Alli, no shame in that, and there is always an element of contact at corners. He didn't wallop him, there was no clear push.

I have no idea why they needed 15 different angles. 14 showed it to be hand ball, 1 did not (I may have exaggerated this but not by much)

 

[MegaSteve]

In every 'regular' workplace "duty of care" is part of the work ethic... Not sure why football should be exempt...