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[clubchamp98]

No system is perfect, but some more than others.

Like at the cricket, you get 30 seconds to decide, time to ask your own players who may actually admit things. You have 3 so use them wisely, who knows in some matches you may only use 1 or 2 of them.

Getting a player to admit he fouled someone???
Can’t see that catching on.
What happens if he already has a yellow ? He would get himself sent off!
Can’t really see an answer except better refs but as you say , where are they coming from?
The lower league ones can’t be any worse.

 

[ColchesterFC]

No system is perfect, but some more than others.

Like at the cricket, you get 30 seconds to decide, time to ask your own players who may actually admit things. You have 3 so use them wisely, who knows in some matches you may only use 1 or 2 of them.

I think that time is the key factor in this whole debate. If it is taking 4/5 minutes to make a decision then you aren't correcting a "clear and obvious" error. If VAR has spent 30/45/60 seconds looking at an incident and still hasn't made a decision then it's obviously not clear and obvious and you should stay with the on field decision.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Getting a player to admit he fouled someone???
Can’t see that catching on.
What happens if he already has a yellow ? He would get himself sent off!
Can’t really see an answer except better refs but as you say , where are they coming from?
The lower league ones can’t be any worse.

To his own captain yes.

2-0 up 10 mins to go, 2 reviews already used up when his own defender whacks someone, captain asks his own defender "did you take him out" , defender says yes so that his team dont use up their last review. Simples.

Its like batsmen at Cricket sometimes they use them up selfishly and unwisely, and I'm sure if they carry on doing it the captain will have a word with them.

 

[Orikoru]

I don't feel sorry for son either tbh. He has a real nasty streak in his game.. he isn't a saint at all. Yes in this case he may not have meant it but he leaves dirty tackles in now and again so you can't be shocked when you actually hurt someone.

When we beat spurs last season he left a nasty late stamp on snodgrasses ankle when he "won" the ball , clearly meant it and knew what he was doing but in such a way to get away with it.

Only matter of time before someone got hurt

I really don't think a late nick on one of your precious West Ham players makes him the Korean Roy Keane all of a sudden but ok.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Getting a player to admit he fouled someone???
Can’t see that catching on.
What happens if he already has a yellow ? He would get himself sent off!
Can’t really see an answer except better refs but as you say , where are they coming from?
The lower league ones can’t be any worse.

If a Captain asks a defender if there was contact and the defender say no which makes the Captain appeal and then VAR shows there is contact, how do you think the Captain is going to react in the dressing room.

We’re not talking about the conversation being broadcast, players will be policing themselves.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I think that time is the key factor in this whole debate. If it is taking 4/5 minutes to make a decision then you aren't correcting a "clear and obvious" error. If VAR has spent 30/45/60 seconds looking at an incident and still hasn't made a decision then it's obviously not clear and obvious and you should stay with the on field decision.

Yep, especially when Stockley are using blag and bent lines to rule goals out for us.

 

[Liverbirdie]

If a Captain asks a defender if there was contact and the defender say no which makes the Captain appeal and then VAR shows there is contact, how do you think the Captain is going to react in the dressing room.

We’re not talking about the conversation being broadcast, players will be policing themselves.

Correct, who knows may even get an out break of honesty (to his own captain only).

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Complaining about refs is immemorial, you live in cloud cuckoo-land if you think that there are 20 refs out there who will be amazing, with the speed of the game now, technology is needed its just being mis-used in application and for me a major improvement would be a limit of 6 uses a game, 3 on each side.

You could also use it to get cheats sent off. Just say, oo, I dont know....Mane did two dives, opposing captain gets VAR to review, he gets a red - it can also cut down on cheating.

If a player fouls someone clearly, and a pen given, the captain of the side who fouled could ask his full back - "did you take him out", defender sayd yes TBH, so the capatin wont use a review up.

I absolutely do believe theres better refs out there than Tierney, Moss, Friend, Mason to name a few. Those 4 alone have overstayed their welcome as a PL elite ref.

I agree the refs need help with technology to an extent but do you really believe this current crop of officials are using the technology correctly? I also accept refs will make mistakes, theyve got VAR now and are still making mistakes but at least the mistakes are being made in that moment.

Was football really that bad in recent seasons to have to go to were we are today with it?

It was brought in for clear and obvious, not subjective decisions.

We're trying to run before we can walk with it. Get rid of Riley, appoint a respected ex ref and let's start weeding the crap out. Then let's evolve VAR.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

If a Captain asks a defender if there was contact and the defender say no which makes the Captain appeal and then VAR shows there is contact, how do you think the Captain is going to react in the dressing room.

We’re not talking about the conversation being broadcast, players will be policing themselves.

What a player deems as a good tackle a ref will deem it a foul. Whose right or wrong?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What a player deems as a good tackle a ref will deem it a foul. Whose right or wrong?

At the moment the clown in charge of VAR does.

Let’s not pretend players don’t cheat, but if the player tells his Captain it was a clean tackle then he can decide an appeal or the Captain will of probably seen the tackle and agree with the Ref.

At least it gives the teams some input/control, currently they have none.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Choudhury tackle on Salah was worse than Son's tonight and the same ref has given 2 different cards.

Obviously the outcome of the injury was different but nevertheless.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

At the moment the clown in charge of VAR does.

Let’s not pretend players don’t cheat, but if the player tells his Captain it was a clean tackle then he can decide an appeal or the Captain will of probably seen the tackle and agree with the Ref.

At least it gives the teams some input/control, currently they have none.

No team should have input/control of the ref. They're there as impartial referees.

Remember footballers arent the most intelligent of people. Let's have a game were players play, refs ref and players respect refs.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No team should have input/control of the ref. They're there as impartial referees.

Remember footballers arent the most intelligent of people. Let's have a game were players play, refs ref and players respect refs.

Respect has to be earned and you are one of their biggest critics, they aren’t going to get respect when so few are trusted, they need help.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Respect has to be earned and you are one of their biggest critics, they aren’t going to get respect when so few are trusted, they need help.

Do all rugby refs earn respect? Or is it instilled into the players from a young age?

I criticise refs but my opinion, like yours,doesnt matter. The media need to respect the refs too, they peddle a lot of the issues.

 

[clubchamp98]

If a Captain asks a defender if there was contact and the defender say no which makes the Captain appeal and then VAR shows there is contact, how do you think the Captain is going to react in the dressing room.

We’re not talking about the conversation being broadcast, players will be policing themselves.

I am not dismissing the idea.
I am all for anything at the moment.
I was in favour of VAR but they have made a complete mess of it.

 

[clubchamp98]

What a player deems as a good tackle a ref will deem it a foul. Whose right or wrong?

Exactly.
Couple of players have seen red for excessive force even though they got the ball first.
But bring someone down from behind nowhere near the ball ( professional foul) yellow .
How is that right.

 

[clubchamp98]

According to motd the severity of the injury is taken into account now!!
So you can get red for almost any tackle if the opponent hurts himself.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I really don't think a late nick on one of your precious West Ham players makes him the Korean Roy Keane all of a sudden but ok.

Look at the picture again, ignore the fact it's west ham for a minute. Rice has the ball in that pic. Snodgrass no longer has it.. son has "tackled" him without the ball full stop. Stamping on his ankle. Could have seriously injured him.

Then against Bournemouth son gets sent off for lashing out at one of their players. It's said it's because he had a few fouls on him let go and it was frustration....

Yesterday it's said oh Gomez elbowed him in the face.

So we have a player with a history of looking for on the pitch retaliation.. clean players don't do that.

You mention Roy Keane.. he did leave late tackles in.. but he didn't hide it...you knew he was a dirty bugger.

However son hides behind the lovely guy routine

Doesn't wash

 

[Deleted member 18588]

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Look at the picture again, ignore the fact it's west ham for a minute. Rice has the ball in that pic. Snodgrass no longer has it.. son has "tackled" him without the ball full stop. Stamping on his ankle. Could have seriously injured him.

Then against Bournemouth son gets sent off for lashing out at one of their players. It's said it's because he had a few fouls on him let go and it was frustration....

Yesterday it's said oh Gomez elbowed him in the face.

So we have a player with a history of looking for on the pitch retaliation.. clean players don't do that.

You mention Roy Keane.. he did leave late tackles in.. but he didn't hide it...you knew he was a dirty bugger.

However son hides behind the lovely guy routine

Doesn't wash

A still photo is extremely misleading.

In the one shown it equally appears that Snodgrass has only just played the ball so Son's challenge is not that sinister.

Also players unfortunately get their feet and ankles trodden on as a result of mistimed tackles. It doesn't mean that there is an intention to hurt the opponent.

 

[sawtooth]

Yesterday it's said oh Gomez elbowed him in the face.

So we have a player with a history of looking for on the pitch retaliation.. clean players don't do that.

That’s how it looked to me as soon as it happened. Son got a slap in the face earlier and then wanted to retaliate. Again must stress for pedants, he did not mean to cause harm like that to the player, it was a freak collision later with Aurier that did that.

I don’t agree with your last point though , just because someone retaliates does not make that player dirty - necessarily.

Talking from experience I would never go out to hurt or even foul someone on purpose but if I was deliberately whacked I would give it back later if I had the chance. It’s human nature I think.