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Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

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Slime said:
But it was up to England to walk off, and they chose not to.
Enough has been seen and heard in this match to, hopefully, achieve the correct actions going forward.
I think the England players and staff have unequivocally moved the racist goalposts, with their reactions to tonight's events, and that can only be a good thing.
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I don’t think you understand the protocols

Racist abuse heard - reported by someone , players etc - UEFA official act , then it’s the 3 step protocol

UEFA failed to follow through after step 1 despite the racist abuse continuing

UEFA should have carried out the remaining steps when the racist abuse continued

Because they didn’t imo the players should have walked off and forced UEFA’s hand

I suspect this incident won’t change UEFA - it will be the bare minimum fine and an extension of the partial stadium ban

The Protocol
  1. The referee will speak to the stadium announcer and demand the halting of racist behaviour.
  2. If it continues, the referee can take the players off the field into the dressing rooms for a period of time and the stadium announcer will make another address.
  3. If it still continues, the match will be abandoned.
 
Thought Southgate and the England camp handled that brilliantly last night. It was clear they wanted to get the game to half time and discuss it further in the dressing room and it seemed they wanted to let the football do the talking as much as possible. If the game had been abandoned and the result hadn't stood, it meant having to come back to Bulgaria again and I can't see too many people, especially the club managers wanting that. They made their point, UEFA activated the initial parts of the protocol and the idiots were asked to leave the ground (out of interest was it all quiet after the game?).

Football and UEFA in particular has to take a stance and lead on this. It isn't just Bulgaria though and its rife across Europe and sadly go to a number of PL grounds and listen and you can hear it here too. Unless fans in the crowd out these morons and the courts then take strong action, the problem just keeps happening. For now though, pleased to have got the win and let UEFA sort any Bulgarian punishment out
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Thought Southgate and the England camp handled that brilliantly last night. It was clear they wanted to get the game to half time and discuss it further in the dressing room and it seemed they wanted to let the football do the talking as much as possible. If the game had been abandoned and the result hadn't stood, it meant having to come back to Bulgaria again and I can't see too many people, especially the club managers wanting that. They made their point, UEFA activated the initial parts of the protocol and the idiots were asked to leave the ground (out of interest was it all quiet after the game?).

Football and UEFA in particular has to take a stance and lead on this. It isn't just Bulgaria though and its rife across Europe and sadly go to a number of PL grounds and listen and you can hear it here too. Unless fans in the crowd out these morons and the courts then take strong action, the problem just keeps happening. For now though, pleased to have got the win and let UEFA sort any Bulgarian punishment out
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😁😁 That lot couldn't sort a bag of dolly mixtures.
 
Stuart_C said:
😁😁 That lot couldn't sort a bag of dolly mixtures.
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I agree totally but as they are the people in charge you have to assume at some point they'll realise its time to act and show to be a responsible body. OK, I know it's a long way (if ever) off and you have to live in hope, but surely even UEFA will take more action. I wonder, if once they've forced a nation to play behind closed doors etc, there could be a case (again I am sure it'll never happen) to simply expel them from the next Nations League and UEFA qualifying. Maybe that'll get the message across. Didn't they threaten England with similar on the back of Heysel and other incidents?
 
In line with Uefa protocol, England had the option to walk off the pitch but played the full 90 minutes.
It appears I'm not the only one to think that walking off is not the answer.

As NWJocko would say;
"You think players should carry on playing whilst receiving racist abuse? You think that's right, yes?
If so, wow".

The players obviously thought so.
 
Slime said:
In line with Uefa protocol, England had the option to walk off the pitch but played the full 90 minutes.
It appears I'm not the only one to think that walking off is not the answer.

As NWJocko would say;
"You think players should carry on playing whilst receiving racist abuse? You think that's right, yes?
If so, wow".

The players obviously thought so.
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I honestly think they were satisfied that a large number of fans had been removed, so something had been done - and the fact that they were 4-0 up they probably thought let's just see it out and get the f out of here. If you walk off, run the risk of UEFA saying the game is to be replayed and have to go through it all again? I don't know what the right or wrong call was, just saying I can totally understand why they didn't walk off by that stage. Mings said in his interview that they heard considerably less abuse in the second half, not zero but far less, and he was proud with how they acted on the day. I think it's difficult for us as observers to say they did right or wrong really.
 
The departure of the black hooded brigade looked a tad stage managed to me... And, they certainly didn't have the look of genuine footie fans...

And and, why stop at kicking out racism? How about addressing all the other vile 'stuff' that emanates from the terraces... Much/all of it wouldn't be tolerated in the work place...
 
Unfortunately until teams walk off, games get abandoned and the bad press follows, all it'll be is a few days of talk and some nice Instragram posts. ITV couldn't have shut Ian Wright down quickly enough when he started having a rant. The guy is pretty clueless generally but the one time he had a point he was hushed up as ITV didn't want anyone in Team England being given stick.

The problem lies with every nation and we need to look at ourselves . If anyone has been to watch England away the abuse that gets dished out to Muslims, Turks and anyone that isn't visably English is shocking.
 
And given that in 2014 St Johnstone were fined £14,300 for a first offence when a silly young lad unfurled a Palestinian flag during a Europa league game...how many millions should the Bulgarian FA be fined...but they won't be.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And given that in 2014 St Johnstone were fined £14,300 for a first offence when a silly young lad unfurled a Palestinian flag during a Europa league game...how many millions should the Bulgarian FA be fined...but they won't be.
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Fines don’t work .
They should be thrown out and banned from the World Cup and the next euros that might sort it.
At the very least no team will have to go there for a very long time.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Fines don’t work .
They should be thrown out and banned from the World Cup and the next euros that might sort it.
At the very least no team will have to go there for a very long time.
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Yea I'm not sure how fining their FA affects your typical racist in the crowd - it doesn't really. As you say, they need to be given matches behind closed doors or banned from competition altogether.
 
pauldj42 said:
He isn’t!
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He is. Taken from the final paragraph.

Suarez and Terry did not create the toxic mood but they helped set the tone for a decade that would get progressively worse. They, and the people who backed them to the hilt, should look back in shame.

Society is to blame for racism, This government and society has set the tone for racism in this country.
 
He’s saying they should take some responsibility for their part in it, he’s not putting all the blame on them.
Aren’t they and those who supported them part of society?
 
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