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[Deleted member 15344]

Would you have been happy if var checked it and gave it against you?

I'll keep an eye out on motd for it.

The issue isn’t with VAR for the goal - it’s the new handball rule , it was clearly accidental and last year with VaR the goal would have stood but because of the new rule it has to be ruled out

But what I have found a bit confusing is I have seen a few handballs in the box over the weekend and by the new law it should be a penalty - but VAR checked and no penalty?!

 

[Papas1982]

The issue is with VAR for the goal - it’s the new handball rule , it was clearly accidental and last year with VaR the goal would have stood but because of the new rule it has to be ruled out

But what I have found a bit confusing is I have seen a few handballs in the box over the weekend and by the new law it should be a penalty - but VAR checked and no penalty?!

Ah OK. So it was a penalty then?

I think the women's world cup was a bit too ott with the pens for handball and they're trying to find the right balance.

I know they've taken intent out of it now. So would have thought it was easier to give them than not tbh.

 

[pokerjoke]

3 United players did well for me in my fantasy team.

God, that hurt.

I bet picking them was murder

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ah OK. So it was a penalty then?

I think the women's world cup was a bit too ott with the pens for handball and they're trying to find the right balance.

I know they've taken intent out of it now. So would have thought it was easier to give them than not tbh.

Nah wasn’t a penalty - the ball accidently struck the arm of a Wolves player in the build up to the goal so it was disallowed- if the ball hits the arm accidentally outside the box it’s play on

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Rules have changed in the summer that if a goal is scored with the hand or involved in the build up its handball. The word deliberate has been removed.

 

[robinthehood]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49313879
What a nice story

 

[Liverbirdie]

I bet picking them was murder

The worse bit was when I tried to get Rashford in as well, and it said "you have too many man united players".

Wounded.

They are a lot cheaper than Liverpool and city equivalents, though.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Interesting read about what it will take for Liverpool to win the PL and break the "curse" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48987404

 

[Bazz]

Would you have been happy if var checked it and gave it against you?

I'll keep an eye out on motd for it.

I would never be happy if we conceded a goal.

But I'd completely understand if it was given. In this instance it's not actually VAR I dont think, it's the rule about the ball touching the arm at any point being a free kick.

 

[clubchamp98]

Chelsea and Liverpool now travel to Turkey to compete in the Supercup, what a waste of time honestly.

Money money money .

 

[Tashyboy]

I would never be happy if we conceded a goal.

But I'd completely understand if it was given. In this instance it's not actually VAR I dont think, it's the rule about the ball touching the arm at any point being a free kick.

Remember last year when Wolves drew v City, cannot remember the players name but he scored via a diving header, but it hit his arm ( on purpose). A goal was given. VAR would of cancelled it out. Trouble is, where do you define accidental when it comes to professional players/cheats.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not sure if it's this thread (not going through all the posts) or last seasons version, but I know the question of players being referees came up and there were discussions on the pros and cons. Just seen this and seems the FA is looking at a way of trying to get ex-players involved. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49007776

I think it is a decent initiative but the biggest issue still has to be how you get them up the scale so they can ref at the highest level possible where their experience would really be an advantage. Not sure what the exact retirement age for a PL ref is these days (and how rigid that is) but a player retiring at 35 or so wouldn't have long to qualify and work their way up.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not sure if it's this thread (not going through all the posts) or last seasons version, but I know the question of players being referees came up and there were discussions on the pros and cons. Just seen this and seems the FA is looking at a way of trying to get ex-players involved. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49007776

I think it is a decent initiative but the biggest issue still has to be how you get them up the scale so they can ref at the highest level possible where their experience would really be an advantage. Not sure what the exact retirement age for a PL ref is these days (and how rigid that is) but a player retiring at 35 or so wouldn't have long to qualify and work their way up.

There is not a retirement age now, ageist, but they have to pass the physical tests and receive consistent high marks. If they fail on either they drop out.

This has been obvious to me for years, target failed or retired footballers. The key has always been will the players be willing to make the change, stick their necks out, be on the receiving end?

 

[Bazz]

Remember last year when Wolves drew v City, cannot remember the players name but he scored via a diving header, but it hit his arm ( on purpose). A goal was given. VAR would of cancelled it out. Trouble is, where do you define accidental when it comes to professional players/cheats.

It was the same one that got done yesterday. Karma i suppose.

 

[clubchamp98]

Not sure if it's this thread (not going through all the posts) or last seasons version, but I know the question of players being referees came up and there were discussions on the pros and cons. Just seen this and seems the FA is looking at a way of trying to get ex-players involved. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49007776

I think it is a decent initiative but the biggest issue still has to be how you get them up the scale so they can ref at the highest level possible where their experience would really be an advantage. Not sure what the exact retirement age for a PL ref is these days (and how rigid that is) but a player retiring at 35 or so wouldn't have long to qualify and work their way up.

The problem though is ex pros opinions are usually not the same as the rest of us.
This has been demonstrated many times on here and motd .
So it would only be their opinion just like anybody else’s.

 

[Orikoru]

There is not a retirement age now, ageist, but they have to pass the physical tests and receive consistent high marks. If they fail on either they drop out.

This has been obvious to me for years, target failed or retired footballers. The key has always been will the players be willing to make the change, stick their necks out, be on the receiving end?

They make so much money from playing that I don't see what's in it for them to start refereeing for less money and lots of abuse. As opposed to getting more easy money as a pundit, for example.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

They make so much money from playing that I don't see what's in it for them to start refereeing for less money and lots of abuse. As opposed to getting more easy money as a pundit, for example.

You are only thinking about PL players. Target the lads in Div 2, the Conference, the ones released who become dissolusioned etc. They don't make enough to retire on, they are not going to be asked to be pundits.

 

[pendodave]

They make so much money from playing that I don't see what's in it for them to start refereeing for less money and lots of abuse. As opposed to getting more easy money as a pundit, for example.

Outside the top two divisions, there's not that much money about, and not many players have particularly long careers.
Punditry is not really available for anyone outside the top tier.
I would also say that just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean that you don't want to do something useful to pass the time. Becoming a good ref would be a challenge that I would imagine at least some sportsmen (who are presumably a competitive bunch) would be interested in. One of the biggest issues faced by sportsmen is the lack of structure and focus in their lives once they no longer play - reffing might be an answer to this for some.

 

[Orikoru]

You are only thinking about PL players. Target the lads in Div 2, the Conference, the ones released who become dissolusioned etc. They don't make enough to retire on, they are not going to be asked to be pundits.

Ok, that's fair. But I still think the majority would rather move into coaching and remain involved in the game at that level rather than refereeing. There might be one or two though. They often like to remind us that Jon Moss played the game at some low level, yet a lot of people don't rate him as a ref, so maybe it doesn't help. I think he's decent though.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Ok, that's fair. But I still think the majority would rather move into coaching and remain involved in the game at that level rather than refereeing. There might be one or two though. They often like to remind us that Jon Moss played the game at some low level, yet a lot of people don't rate him as a ref, so maybe it doesn't help. I think he's decent though.

I agree that few players want to do it. It is easy to call a ref, harder to do the job. The leagues may pick up some though and you would hope they would be able to relate to the players better.

I saw a good piece about Jon Moss at the weekend. He is a music buff, has a vinyl record shop in Headingly. 'Referee is human' shocker .