Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[clubchamp98]

I agree that few players want to do it. It is easy to call a ref, harder to do the job. The leagues may pick up some though and you would hope they would be able to relate to the players better.

I saw a good piece about Jon Moss at the weekend. He is a music buff, has a vinyl record shop in Headingly. 'Referee is human' shocker .

Don’t need good refs anymore.
All we need is someone to relay what the VAR decision is.

 

[clubchamp98]

I go and watch Am footy, if you see the abuse the refs get there I am not surprised most give up.
It’s there they need to support, then some quality refs may come through.

 

[MegaSteve]

You are only thinking about PL players. Target the lads in Div 2, the Conference, the ones released who become dissolusioned etc. They don't make enough to retire on, they are not going to be asked to be pundits.

A lot of the lads, in the lower tiers, have a trade which they go on to do after they've finished playing...

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Most pros will look to turn to coaching first and foremost when they give up playing, either in League 1 or 2, or at semi-professional level, as that's where they have the most experience.

I know at least a dozen personally - all of whom have played in the EPL (and some internationally) - who have gone down this route. They also pick up the odd bit of punditry here and there as well for local radio where they were most popular/well known as players or had the most success.

All I've spoken to had zero interest in becoming a referee for a number of reasons.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I do think most players wouldn't consider refereeing and the article recognises the fact and is arguably the biggest hurdle the FA has, trying to change perceptions and interest. Of course, coaching and/or managing is for many the next step and desire and punditry (even at local level a viable alternative) but not everyone has these chances. I think it'll be a long time before we see too many ex-pros going into refereeing but you can't blame the FA for at least trying to offer an alternative path

 

[Liverbirdie]

Ex. players could do their ref badges in the last 1-2 years of their career, at least the classroom stuff, so they can hit the ground running in high end amateur football, then with possible progression from there.

Prem refs can carry on until the're 50iirc, so if they start their reffing career at say 33/34, could see them have a reffing career for as long as their playing career, and prem refs are on a hell of a lot of money, and possibly even more than division 2 players. Not sure, but I'm sure that if it adds to their playing pension, keeps them fit and out of the bookies / pub/ golf course may see a lot less end up in divorce courts, as well.

The one possible downside may be that it may disillusion amateur refs who are trying to work their way up the pyramid, if there is a large influx of fit 35years old ex-pro's, who may also be seen to be getting preferential treatment.

Better refereeing all round should still be the number one priority, so may be worth having a 10 year trial, to see.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The majority of footballers haven't got the brains to be referees.

You've only got to hear some of the shite they spout in their punditry roles, I wouldnt let them ref kids football never mind conference football.

 

[Dan2501]

Loris Karius is apparently being recalled by Liverpool following Alisson's injury

 

[Liverbirdie]

The majority of footballers haven't got the brains to be referees.

You've only got to hear some of the shite they spout in their punditry roles, I wouldnt let them ref kids football never mind conference football.

Yes, and we all disagree with fellow fans, pundits refs, ex refs, players, ex. players, ex. pundits, so what does that have to do with anything?

You make sure they pass the exams, mark them as other refs are watched periodically and if they get to the proffessional ranks great, if they dont hard luck.

 

[clubchamp98]

Watched a replay of Liverpool’s game and sure I heard a pundit/comment saying if the ball hits the ref they have to stop the game!
But the ball hit Mike Dean at the W/end and he played advantage .
What’s the score on this?

 

[hairball_89]

Loris Karius is apparently being recalled by Liverpool following Alisson's injury

Can't see that happening - his loan was a paid for deal with an obligation to buy. Much more likely we bring in an old, unattached keeper on a short term loan deal. Lonergan almost certainly to be the one as he was with the squad on the US tour.

 

[Bazz]

Watched a replay of Liverpool’s game and sure I heard a pundit/comment saying if the ball hits the ref they have to stop the game!
But the ball hit Mike Dean at the W/end and he played advantage .
What’s the score on this?

The game was stopped in the Spurs Villa game when it hit the ref. Deano makes up his own rules though.

 

[clubchamp98]

The game was stopped in the Spurs Villa game when it hit the ref. Deano makes up his own rules though.

The one in the Liverpool game went to the intended player on the break but the ref still stopped the game!

 

[Orikoru]

The one in the Liverpool game went to the intended player on the break but the ref still stopped the game!

Well that's stupid. I could understand stopping the game if the ref's intervention means the ball has gone to the opposite team.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well that's stupid. I could understand stopping the game if the ref's intervention means the ball has gone to the opposite team.

I am sure the comment was “ it’s because a ref scored a goal when the ball hit him somewhere abroad, and he could not disallow it”
Just give him the option and let him referee.

 

[Tashyboy]

Ex. players could do their ref badges in the last 1-2 years of their career, at least the classroom stuff, so they can hit the ground running in high end amateur football, then with possible progression from there.

Prem refs can carry on until the're 50iirc, so if they start their reffing career at say 33/34, could see them have a reffing career for as long as their playing career, and prem refs are on a hell of a lot of money, and possibly even more than division 2 players. Not sure, but I'm sure that if it adds to their playing pension, keeps them fit and out of the bookies / pub/ golf course may see a lot less end up in divorce courts, as well.

The one possible downside may be that it may disillusion amateur refs who are trying to work their way up the pyramid, if there is a large influx of fit 35years old ex-pro's, who may also be seen to be getting preferential treatment.

Better refereeing all round should still be the number one priority, so may be worth having a 10 year trial, to see.

I went on an FA level 1 coaching course years Ago when my lad was playing. The coaches on there were having a moan about how much it was to go on a UEFA b course, then the ones above that. Not just the cost but the time they would have to take out from work to do it. They then had there " moan". Apparantly as a professional footballer. When you pay into the PFA union. You are then, when you get to the end of your career entitled to go on coaching courses at no cost. The union pays it. Some do this when they are gettin get pearls the ends of there career. Why not do the same re referee courses.
Another point. I was in a country pub last week, it's was small, compact and Bijou. A local was talking about the Stags. Mansfield Town. A guy asked how much they/ players earn in that division. He responded by saying £10 K a week. 1/2 a million quid a year. Are they really on that much. Surely not.

 

[Tashyboy]

Watched a replay of Liverpool’s game and sure I heard a pundit/comment saying if the ball hits the ref they have to stop the game!
But the ball hit Mike Dean at the W/end and he played advantage .
What’s the score on this?

Yup I heard the same, and I think they also said it was because in one game on the continent, a ball hit the ref and the opposition team scored. So to stop that happening, if it hits the ref, stop the game.

 

[Orikoru]

Yup I heard the same, and I think they also said it was because in one game on the continent, a ball hit the ref and the opposition team scored. So to stop that happening, if it hits the ref, stop the game.

It shouldn't be compulsory to stop the game though. As ClubChamp said subsequently, just give the ref the power to stop the game if him blocking the ball proves to be of great detriment to one of the teams. If it clips off the ref's leg but still goes to the right player or the right team then he should be able to say play on.

 

[clubchamp98]

It shouldn't be compulsory to stop the game though. As ClubChamp said subsequently, just give the ref the power to stop the game if him blocking the ball proves to be of great detriment to one of the teams. If it clips off the ref's leg but still goes to the right player or the right team then he should be able to say play on.

So Mike Dean is right that’s a first!!!

 

[Tashyboy]

It shouldn't be compulsory to stop the game though. As ClubChamp said subsequently, just give the ref the power to stop the game if him blocking the ball proves to be of great detriment to one of the teams. If it clips off the ref's leg but still goes to the right player or the right team then he should be able to say play on.

Totally agree. But is it a ruling or a common sense decision by Mike Dean.