Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Orikoru]

It's both, awful standard and zero atmosphere. I must have watched 15 minutes of it since the season restarted, just got no interest in the current format.

If the football was good I'd still enjoy it. Half the bits I've watched I've had the sound off anyway, as I've been on Zoom or something at the same time, so it makes no difference to me. There's just been a lack of energy though, understandable after the lay-off and I don't think they've had many friendlies to warm up with either. That said, even before all this happened most of us agreed it was already the poorest Premier League season in many, many years.

 

[Beezerk]

If the football was good I'd still enjoy it. Half the bits I've watched I've had the sound off anyway, as I've been on Zoom or something at the same time, so it makes no difference to me. There's just been a lack of energy though, understandable after the lay-off and I don't think they've had many friendlies to warm up with either. That said, even before all this happened most of us agreed it was already the poorest Premier League season in many, many years.

It's just garbage as a whole ?
Did anyone see the sky channel with the four people watching the Everton v Liverpool game, think one of them was the boxer Tony Bellew? Think that channel lasted about 25 seconds, what a pile of utter guff.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm watching games with the crowd noise on and I think they are doing a good job with it. Every so often we turn over to the match as it is and that is awful, completely soulless. There is a lot of rustiness out there, hopefully the games will improve.

One for Arsenal fans, what does Alex Iwobi bring to the table? I'm not basing everything on yesterday as it is unfair to judge against a Liverpool or City, but I just don't see what it is that he does. What is his role? 3/4 of the way through this season in a blue shirt and I am none the wiser.

 

[Fade and Die]

Did your team lose by any chance

They did but that’s not why I said what I said, I watched a few other games and they were just as dull, no passion whatsoever. If I enjoyed that level of action I would just walk over the park and watch some lads having a kickabout!

 

[Fade and Die]

It was nothing to do with fans, all the teams just played rubbish. They were like pre-season warm-up games.

It’s everything to do with the fans not being there. If you was unlucky enough to watch West Ham Saturday you could see the level of effort was disgraceful. The crowd would have been on there case and got a bit extra out of them. Players feed off the atmosphere.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Leeds set up proper speakers, using a theatre group, to pipe crowd noise inside the ground. Did anyone see that? Did it work better? That at least might help the players with atmosphere.

 

[Orikoru]

It’s everything to do with the fans not being there. If you was unlucky enough to watch West Ham Saturday you could see the level of effort was disgraceful. The crowd would have been on there case and got a bit extra out of them. Players feed off the atmosphere.

You don't concede that any of it is down to match sharpness and fitness?

 

[sunshine]

I think that the quality of games will improve as teams adjust and the intensity picks up.

However, I don't think that I will ever be able to put up with the phoney crowd noise.

You don't have to listen to the fake crowd noise - it's optional

 

[Deleted member 18588]

You don't have to listen to the fake crowd noise - it's optional

Only on Premier League games, no option for the Championship.

 

[pendodave]

It's both, awful standard and zero atmosphere. I must have watched 15 minutes of it since the season restarted, just got no interest in the current format.

Agreed. I think its the best way to finish the season, but I've no interest in watching it.
Not sure how much of that is down to WHU, but I'd like to think I'm a bit more broadminded than that.

 

[Fade and Die]

You don't concede that any of it is down to match sharpness and fitness?

Time will tell.

 

[fundy]

I'm watching games with the crowd noise on and I think they are doing a good job with it. Every so often we turn over to the match as it is and that is awful, completely soulless. There is a lot of rustiness out there, hopefully the games will improve.

One for Arsenal fans, what does Alex Iwobi bring to the table? I'm not basing everything on yesterday as it is unfair to judge against a Liverpool or City, but I just don't see what it is that he does. What is his role? 3/4 of the way through this season in a blue shirt and I am none the wiser.

he brought about 30m to our table, about 29m too much

 

[clubchamp98]

Well that was rubbish. We're gonna win the league whatever happened tonight. But what a waste of 2 hrs!

Always a good result a draw .
Stops the stick in the city.
But was not a good watch.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

he brought about 30m to our table, about 29m too much

That is what I am thinking as well. I was not sure when we bought him but you have to trust the scouting team, director of football etc. I hoped they saw something in him that getting game time would bring out. I'm still trying to figure out what that is .

 

[clubchamp98]

That is what I am thinking as well. I was not sure when we bought him but you have to trust the scouting team, director of football etc. I hoped they saw something in him that getting game time would bring out. I'm still trying to figure out what that is .

The tactics were never going to let the front men shine though.
You conceded possession far to much.
I think the fans would have made you push on a bit
He may have got a bit more of the ball then.
In other games I have seen he looks ok but nothing special for that kind of money.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The tactics were never going to let the front men shine though.
You conceded possession far to much.
I think the fans would have made you push on a bit
He may have got a bit more of the ball then.
In other games I have seen he looks ok but nothing special for that kind of money.

I am not judging his time at Everton on one game against Liverpool, that would be unfair. I suppose yesterday just confirmed what I had seen previously. Perhaps my expectations were too high. I though we might see a potential Zaha, another Richarlison, but I am not getting any vibe along those lines.

Yesterday was an Italian set up, a Jose set up. Be organised, stifle, try to pinch a goal. It very nearly worked. Pickford had little to do, it was mostly in front of him, Allison was the one who had to make the key saves. Saying all that, I hope I don't have to watch a similar style of game for the rest of the season. It was a set up for that match, this season, not what we want going forward.

As you said earlier, we can probably both breathe easier now.

 

[Dan2501]

I've always thought Iwobi worked best as a #10, but given Carlo likes to play a 4-4-2 with DCL and Richarlison up top it seems unlikely that Iwobi's going to get a game there. I just don't see him being an effective threat on the wing, but would rather watch him than Walcott.

 

[fundy]

I've always thought Iwobi worked best as a #10, but given Carlo likes to play a 4-4-2 with DCL and Richarlison up top it seems unlikely that Iwobi's going to get a game there. I just don't see him being an effective threat on the wing, but would rather watch him than Walcott.

on the basis of how bad he is in front of goal, why would you want to play him as a 10?

 

[Orikoru]

on the basis of how bad he is in front of goal, why would you want to play him as a 10?

That's what you do with wingers who can't beat a full back.

 

[Dan2501]

on the basis of how bad he is in front of goal, why would you want to play him as a 10?

His passing and dribbling's decent, he works hard, he's not slow but doesn't have the raw pace to be super effective on the wing. I think his attributes are better suited to him playing behind the striker in a supporting/creative attacking midfield role rather than on the wing. I wouldn't change the system to use him there at Everton though, I think we're better with the 2 up top 4-4-2, I just think that's Iwobi's most effective role.

I don't think he was a good signing at all having watched more of him, not good enough to be effective from the wing and doesn't fit the 4-4-2 system. Would have been better off keeping Lookman.