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Ooof. Seeing Dybala, Lo Celso and Sessegnon to Spurs today. Bloody good window for them if they complete those three. Ndombele, Dybala, Lo Celso and Sessegnon is seriously good going, such a difference from last summer.
I'm not holding my breath on Dybala but I feel like Lo Celso and Sessegnon will join. If we got Dybala as well and Eriksen doesn't leave then arguably the squad is a bit too big!
 

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In the past maybe, but they've become less and less reliant on Arab commercial partners, matchday revenue is continually rising, TV revenue constantly rising, and since Txiki took over the transfers the wages have been under much stricter control dropping from 114% of total income to 52%. In the early days of Mansour they did spend an absolute fortune but with a long-term goal, one they're starting to realise. They've built a now sustainable football club with massive revenue, commercial strength and on the pitch success. They deserve a lot of credit I think.

It is alleged 'the family' invest sums of money into businesses on the understanding the majority gets reinvested on into areas which 'the family' have nominated... Suspect they are not alone in using such tactics...
 
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Sessegnon i suspect will be a player to sit behind Rose and just wait for him to develop

Ndombele looks a very good player and will replace the hole that Dembele left

No idea about Celso , seems a name that’s banded around - guess it’s another younger player , looking at stats ( which don’t tell a whole story ) don’t seem to be someone who can replace Eriksen ?

And can’t see Spurs paying what Dybala wants

So it’s a decent window for Spurs which prob helps stay in the top 4
 

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In the past maybe, but they've become less and less reliant on Arab commercial partners, matchday revenue is continually rising, TV revenue constantly rising, and since Txiki took over the transfers the wages have been under much stricter control dropping from 114% of total income to 52%. In the early days of Mansour they did spend an absolute fortune but with a long-term goal, one they're starting to realise. They've built a now sustainable football club with massive revenue, commercial strength and on the pitch success. They deserve a lot of credit I think.
But some will keep going on about the oil money, FFP etc. Same old same old and until UEFA etc find City guilty of irregularities and hand out a punishment then it'll continue.
 

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Sessegnon i suspect will be a player to sit behind Rose and just wait for him to develop

Ndombele looks a very good player and will replace the hole that Dembele left

No idea about Celso , seems a name that’s banded around - guess it’s another younger player , looking at stats ( which don’t tell a whole story ) don’t seem to be someone who can replace Eriksen ?

And can’t see Spurs paying what Dybala wants

So it’s a decent window for Spurs which prob helps stay in the top 4
Sessegnon may get minutes in attack on the left wing to begin with, where there's slightly less responsibility than playing left back. Him with Rose behind him / overlapping could work well.

Haven't seen Lo Celso play properly. On YouTube he seems like a cross between Eriksen and Lamela. Agreed on Dybala, but the story isn't going away so who knows.
 

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I don't think ffp should even be a thing.

The only clubs that complain about it are the ones now being challenged and losing their place at the top table.

Finances in footy have come too far to expect out side investment not to happen. The top clubs who earn billions off their name, earned those names when there were no rules. They then ring fenced the top table. Threatening European league etc to make sure they still get the best opportunities commercially.

Why should the so called top teams have an apparent right to keep being the best simply and the rest feel lucky just to be there? No team noways will come from nowhere and earn a spot simply due to good management.
 
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Money from tickets, advertising, sponsors, tv or from the owners back account. It really doesn't matter to most fans, it certainly doesn't get written on the trophies. Pools money built Liverpool, was that cleaner than oil money?

The oil money line is boring now, it has been for a while. People need to move on, although 99% have to be fair. Come on that 1% 😁
 

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Money from tickets, advertising, sponsors, tv or from the owners back account. It really doesn't matter to most fans, it certainly doesn't get written on the trophies. Pools money built Liverpool, was that cleaner than oil money?

The oil money line is boring now, it has been for a while. People need to move on, although 99% have to be fair. Come on that 1% 😁
Big money owners coming in has always been a thing, it's just the amounts that have got higher. Look at Blackburn in the 90s, spent 4m on Shearer which was a lot then, 5m on Sutton which was an English record I think, more money on Batty, Flowers, they effectively bought the league back then. Chelsea did it in the 2000s with Abramovich. I'm sure it happened pre-Premier League years as well. There's really no need to be bitter about it. Clubs get new investors, things change, that's it. City are where they are. Precious few teams have won trophies over the last 20 years without spending a fair old whack on players.
 

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Money from tickets, advertising, sponsors, tv or from the owners back account. It really doesn't matter to most fans, it certainly doesn't get written on the trophies. Pools money built Liverpool, was that cleaner than oil money?

The oil money line is boring now, it has been for a while. People need to move on, although 99% have to be fair. Come on that 1% 😁
Nope. That's what deeply unpleasant dictatorships want. The normalisation of their evils by investment in things we hold dear. It will always be wrong. We would be weak and immoral to think otherwise. The passage of a few years doesn't make anything about it 'better'.
 

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Nope. That's what deeply unpleasant dictatorships want. The normalisation of their evils by investment in things we hold dear. It will always be wrong. We would be weak and immoral to think otherwise. The passage of a few years doesn't make anything about it 'better'.
Who hasn't bought a title or attempted to then? Since the 80's the title has always been won, or close to been won by teams spending big. Leicester is a possible, probable, exception.

Papas had it right in his recent post, fans of smaller teams are used to it because it has happened for years. The only ones squealing now are big teams who now have an even bigger fish in the sea. For most teams that is normal. It's like an ageing model complaining because she is losing work to younger, prettier women coming through. The irony metre is twitching.
 
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Don't know whether he has or not (£200million), but the days of paying what City think are over the odds have long gone. Fred, Sanchez, VVD, Maguire to name but a few. Look at the age of Citys squad. D Silva in his last year, Aguero and Fernandinho possibly the end of next. But it's a youthful squad. He now don't have to pay excessive fees. Of the top eleven sums paid for players in positions. How many have City paid the most for. One, Mendy at left back.

Of course those days are long gone because you've now reached the stage Chelsea reached - paying £10m+ over the odds per player just couldn't be justified. But you're still in that situation whereby you'll go in for a player and still be quoted £10-£20m extra for a player because the selling club knows City have the money to pay it.

Replacing Aguero will be a massive cost to City, easily over a £100m to land someone with 25+ goals a season in them.
 

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Who hasn't bought a title or attempted to then? Since the 80's the title has always been won, or close to been won by teams spending big. Leicester is a possible, probable, exception.

Papas had it right in his recent post, fans of smaller teams are used to it because it has happened for years. The only ones squealing now are big teams who now have an even bigger fish in the sea. For most teams that is normal. It's like an ageing model complaining because she is losing work to younger, prettier women coming through. The irony metre is twitching.

Tbf whilst the pl win was incredible. They flirted the rules getting to the Orem in the first place. I’d imag8ne wolves cut it close too and got plenty of plaudits last year. Most likely because realistically, neither team are gonna be long term threats to the monopoly.
 

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Of course those days are long gone because you've now reached the stage Chelsea reached - paying £10m+ over the odds per player just couldn't be justified. But you're still in that situation whereby you'll go in for a player and still be quoted £10-£20m extra for a player because the selling club knows City have the money to pay it.

Replacing Aguero will be a massive cost to City, easily over a £100m to land someone with 25+ goals a season in them.

Tbf to city. They haven’t even purchased a player that rates in the top 25 of all time signings. They paid over the odds to encourage players to join. Just like Utd now have to do because they aren’t the best team in the league (arguably the biggest).

Just like any business will do when trying to gain an unnatural market share. Now though they’ve spent their money and compete on relatively level footing. If they’re still at the top in 10 years time and spending similar amounts to their rivals. Will we need to go back and complaints that 20 years ago they spent too much?

I think when aguero goes, they’ll give Jesus a season to see if he can cut it. They’ve enough goals form elsewhere imo.
 

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It's emerged that Lamps told Luiz he wouldn't be first choice, hence him stamping his feet and saying he wants to go. I find it a bit baffling that Chelsea have left themselves so short at the back though. Rudiger is injured (according to Fantasy PL anyway!) so they're happy to start the season with Zouma and Christensen I guess. And who's the back-up? Tomori?? Looking very threadbare.
 
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