Tashyboy
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Flippin eck re Origi, ave just wrote that😂
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It’s just not Klopp way - he loves the small tight knit settled squad , just have a look at the two squads he had when at Dortmund when they won the league and challenged in the CL - it was the same as we have - settled forward and back line , rotate in the midfield , only 15 players made double figure appearances in 10/11 , then 19 in 11/12 with the midfield again rotating lots and the forward line having the same week in week out.
There was a great article about it all when he first arrived and how Klopp likes to work - he only spends money if he has too , he will always look to improve from within the squad and use the youth - he is tight as a ducks arse unless there is someone he really wants. I have no doubt that he didn’t look at players like Pepe or Fernandes or Zaha because he will believe he has the support needed in the squad from the likes of Origi , Shaqiri and Brewster , he has the midfield packed who he will rotate with but those front three are going to play the bulk just like last year - he seems to have judged it pretty well especially his player recruitments
Dan2501
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Dortmund typically operate on a small budget though, which is probably part of the reason he stuck with a smallish squad - they only spent £5m the season they won the league, £10m the season after. That's not the case here, Liverpool just won the CL bringing in the region of £80m in prize money alone, came 2nd in the PL, have cleared a series of players from the wage bill, the money is there to spend. I don't get why he wouldn't want to bring someone in, just like I didn't understand Spurs' last summer.
Just did a google. That year, the most appearances in total for them was Lewandowski, Hummels and Pisczek. All made 42 appearances in all comps.
Last year hnederson (44), milner(45), wijnaldum(47), firminho(48), robertson(48), mane(50), VVD(50), allison(51), salah (52). Thats with no winter break and in arguably a more intense league.
In regards to what Orikuro said and your counter. Basically your counter to his point was that you won the CL. Does that mean, if this year brings o trophies you'll concede it was a mistake?
Tashyboy
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Plus i read a piece the other day. Pep has won more trophies in two seasons at City than Klopp has in 18 years. However you look at it managers will be judged on what they win. Not saying Klopp has done poorly at all. But every City fan is elated he is not strengthening his squad.
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The amount of games being played wasn’t the point it was the size of the squad that Klopp likes to work with and having his top players play week in week out beyond the domestic cups. Klopp has done the same at at Liverpool has his core that it won’t rotate
And if we go backwards from last season and it’s because of not bringing in players to support then yes he will be criticised because it’s his choice at the end of the day - but he seems to know what he is doing currently
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How does the level of trophies have relevance to what Dan says in regards player recruitment at Dortmund and Liverpool ? Pep will have more trophies - he was at Barce , Munich and City - three teams that will win trophies due to the resources available. They have both had different manager paths in their career and if you swapped them round I wonder if Pep would have won the trophies that Klopp has with the teams and resources available
But surely managers should evolve. It's all well and good wanting a small squad, but players playing 50 games plus is different to playing 40...
A game a week is easy enough, at at the end of the season when it's on the line, i'm sure adrenaline helps. Around xmas, new year when it's constantly 2 games a week (unlike germany) i reckon it will tell it's toll again.
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I reckon he adjusts and changes as each season goes by - which ever method he uses in each season is clearly working for him and it’s hard to disagree with him when you see how far the team have come under him.
We haven’t stood still in any season he has been at the club , he gets paid the big bucks to manage his squad if putting his trust in his squad proves to be the wrong move for him then he will suffer the fallout from that. He took a team from 8th struggling in the league to winning the CL and challenging for the title.
Dan2501
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They'll be playing more games this season as well, due to the Club World Champs, so thought the more depth the better. Obviously not.
He did that by spending vast sums of money (very well). As well as improving a few players you had already.
This is the first season where you've not added to the squad (stood still), something that other teams are criticised for. I think the faith he is both admirable and justified in that the front line are bloody brilliant, but imo it's also relying on luck for injuries. If one of your main 3 is out for 3 months. Shaqiri, lallana or Origi will need to play better football than they ever have done before. Obviously not all squads can have a city size squad. But Spurs aside, all the other top 6 have imo subs that aren't as inferior in relation to the first team.
Anyways, we've done this to death. Lets see what happens.
Bazz
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Do you think he's good enough for Liverpool?
fundy
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Everton rumoured to have bid £30m for Iwobi, Arsenal turned it down and demanded £40m+. Please come back with a £40m bid
Bazz
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There must be a decimal point missing there.
That has to be an Odemwingie style rumour, ie cobblers. Why would anyone offer that much for him? Has to be wishful thinking on your behalf (I'm hoping so anyway)
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I'd like to have seen at least a replacement for Sturridge and another ball playing midfielder. An improvement on Henderson/Milner/Gini is a must for me.
Klopp obviously believes in Origi and has seen enough in Brewster to think he can cut the mustard at PL level. The latter might have an impact like Sterling had in his first season, but he might not.
Not improving the squad with 1 standout player could comeback to haunt us.
Klopp obviously believes in Origi and has seen enough in Brewster to think he can cut the mustard at PL level. The latter might have an impact like Sterling had in his first season, but he might not.
Not improving the squad with 1 standout player could comeback to haunt us.
Orikoru
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That's one of those where both sides would want their heads checking. Everton for offering 30 mil and Arsenal for turning it down!
NWJocko
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I'd tend to agree with this tbh. May well get away with it but maybe not.
When you're in a position of strength is really the time to improve if you can, I'd have thought he'd be looking at upgrades on the likes of Lovren, Henderson, Shaqiri etc as the backup players available alongside maybe 1 who would/could go straight into the "first team" (if such a thing exists these days).
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So
Dybala not going to Spurs
Coutinho doesn’t want to go to Spurs and favours a return to Liverpool
Zaha has handed in a transfer request
I didn’t realise it was the deadline today - that means we have to suffer that spanner in the yellow
Wonder if Arry will make an appearance
This is pretty poor
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49261253
And Watford sign Welbeck
Dybala not going to Spurs
Coutinho doesn’t want to go to Spurs and favours a return to Liverpool
Zaha has handed in a transfer request
I didn’t realise it was the deadline today - that means we have to suffer that spanner in the yellow
Wonder if Arry will make an appearance
This is pretty poor
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49261253
And Watford sign Welbeck
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Orikoru
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Deadline day is tomorrow.
I knew the Dybala and Coutinho stuff would just be nonsense to push Betis into selling Lo Celso. I think deals for him and/or Bruno Fernandes are still possible.
Welbeck has signed for Watford.
