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I've always thought this rule was ridiculous. Especially now. They're going to pay loads of tax, considering we give permits to people to work here in significantly lower paid roles.

I think it's to stop clubs buying really young South Americans cheap and flooding their academies and stopping the development of homegrown players
 
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Begs the question (in my mind anyway) why did City buy him if they weren't certain of getting a WP for him?

Buy him, loan him to get experience and a WP ,then either bring him back if he develops or sell him if he doesn't cut the mustard. Simple really.
 
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Please Utd have ended talks with Dybala after what I believe were ridiculous wage demands and outrageous agents fees... still need to offload Lukaku tho...

Need a replacement before getting rid though Karl.

I said when he signed he wasn't good enough, his level is an Everton level club.

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Mignolet to Brugge confirmed, just need a decent #2
 
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You've got chocolate wrists Lonergan...

Better than Simon "stevie wonder" Mignolet 😁

He had a great game against Sevilla though but to be fair he was only taken on tour as cover.
 

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Mignolet to Brugge confirmed, just need a decent #2
Don't mind this really. He doesn't owe us anything - been a proper pro over the last few years, supporting the team when out of it. Never really good enough for what we needed and that's shown since Allison has come in and made such a massive difference.

Imagine we'll go for an older keeper who's cheap and happy to man the bench. Adrian and McCarthy the main shouts apparently. Probably only play 2/3 games so don't really mind who... As long as Allison doesn't break his leg!
 

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I've always thought this rule was ridiculous. Especially now. They're going to pay loads of tax, considering we give permits to people to work here in significantly lower paid roles.
They are roles where we have shortages of workers. We have no shortage of average footballers, it can be argued we have a shortage of international standard footballers. Giving a permit to a S.American so he can sit on the bench makes no sense. If he is on the bench, he is not really needed. Why should sport be different to general work?
 

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They are roles where we have shortages of workers. We have no shortage of average footballers, it can be argued we have a shortage of international standard footballers. Giving a permit to a S.American so he can sit on the bench makes no sense. If he is on the bench, he is not really needed. Why should sport be different to general work?

My opinion is based purely on a financial aspect. As long as someone contributes financially (taxes), the role they do is imo irrelevant.

In regards to them being average, there's nothing to say an uncapped 20 yr old south american is average. For the big clubs obv they'll generally go for stars and permits won't be an issue, but if a smaller club, say Saints spots someone they think has potential, they have no chance to sign them.
 

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Pretty scary that City won the league last year and are adding Rodri and Cancelo to their squad. Can't see anyone getting past them this year. Liverpool haven't signed anyone, United and Arsenal still look a shambles at the back, Chelsea have lost their main man, and Spurs have strengthened but they're still lacking the depth to compete for a full season. Looks like another dominant City season ahead.
 

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Pretty scary that City won the league last year and are adding Rodri and Cancelo to their squad. Can't see anyone getting past them this year. Liverpool haven't signed anyone, United and Arsenal still look a shambles at the back, Chelsea have lost their main man, and Spurs have strengthened but they're still lacking the depth to compete for a full season. Looks like another dominant City season ahead.
Didnt see all the game yesterday Dan, grandkids etc. But I was impressed with Citys determination to dig in when Liverpool were dominant. Bravo and Walker who have been poor for City played to there full potential for once.

That aside. How empty was Wemberlee. I had an email a week before saying you can have a family of four tickets for £40. They knew the game was between City and Liverpool, why not play it at old Trafford in front of a full house. Less travel, full stadium. You could even put tickets up a tenner and fans would still be in pocket and the FA make more.
 
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Pretty scary that City won the league last year and are adding Rodri and Cancelo to their squad. Can't see anyone getting past them this year. Liverpool haven't signed anyone, United and Arsenal still look a shambles at the back, Chelsea have lost their main man, and Spurs have strengthened but they're still lacking the depth to compete for a full season. Looks like another dominant City season ahead.

Are they really two signings that are pretty scary ? Rodri is a defensive midfielder who is there when they lose Fernandinho but he wasn’t that impressive last year in La Liga , and Cancelo is a right back/winger so they are just swapping Danilo for him. So it’s a touch stronger in the squad but no real change in the first 11 - and when you take away Kompany they are possibly short a CB to play with Laporte and you can see yesterday when a team went at them they struggle
 

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The signings themselves aren't that scary on paper, but the fact they're not resting on their laurels and sticking with their squad is what's scary. They're constantly trying to improve. They've identified a potentially weak area in the lack of depth when Fernandinho's not available and another weak area at RB. Cancelo is not only a massive upgrade on Danilo, but he will slot in as their RB full-time, he's one of the best RBs in Europe. Also, Rodri's not the sort of player that will be outwardly impressive, but the role he plays and the job he does is very impressive, and I think he'll play alongside Fernandinho not instead of most of the time. At full strength I see them lining up:

---------------------Ederson----------------------
-------Stones-----Fernandinho----Laporte-----
-Cancelo-----------Rodri------------Mendy-------
---------B Silva-------------KDB---------------------
-------------------Aguero-------------Sterling-------

Won't ever play in a strigent formation like that, but generally that set-up from the start. B Silva plays the role he did last year dropping into midfield where needed but also used on the right. Fernandinho drops into CB when needed otherwise forms a 2 man midfield with Rodri allowing KDB to roam forward and form a 4-man attack on the counter. Looks bloody scary to me.

Liverpool seem content to just continue with what they had last year, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as they did well last year, but when City are still looking to improve I'm surprised Liverpool aren't doing the same.
 

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Are they really two signings that are pretty scary ? Rodri is a defensive midfielder who is there when they lose Fernandinho but he wasn’t that impressive last year in La Liga , and Cancelo is a right back/winger so they are just swapping Danilo for him. So it’s a touch stronger in the squad but no real change in the first 11 - and when you take away Kompany they are possibly short a CB to play with Laporte and you can see yesterday when a team went at them they struggle
They certainly still need a centre back. I only saw the 2nd half yesterday, but Otamendi seemed to be playing really well until he made quite a basic error, which is him all over. Stones is the same really. You would think they need to go out and get a high class partner for Laporte to complete the line-up.


---------------------Ederson----------------------
-------Stones-----Fernandinho----Laporte-----
-Cancelo-----------Rodri------------Mendy-------
---------B Silva-------------KDB---------------------
-------------------Aguero-------------Sterling-------
I think Walker still starts. I've heard Cancelo is good but not any better than Walker defensively. At best it'll be a 50-50 rotation, but I reckon Walker will start the big games. That bicycle kick off the line yesterday shows how useful he can be. I also think Zinchenko will start the season as first choice. Good though Mendy is, I'm not sure Pep will feel he can rely upon him. With the sheer amount of injuries he's had, I don't think he'll be starting every week regardless.
 

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Walker might start the season at RB, but Cancelo will have taken that spot by the end of the season I reckon, he's really good. As for Mendy, he's their #1 LB, but Zinchenko will start the season at LB as Mendy is currently injured. Injuries a real problem for Mendy, but when he's fit he's one of the best LBs in the league.

Also, Fernandinho was a big loss for City yesterday, when he's in the side they're way better defensively. He's back in training so expect him to be back for the start of the season.
 
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The signings themselves aren't that scary on paper, but the fact they're not resting on their laurels and sticking with their squad is what's scary. They're constantly trying to improve. They've identified a potentially weak area in the lack of depth when Fernandinho's not available and another weak area at RB. Cancelo is not only a massive upgrade on Danilo, but he will slot in as their RB full-time, he's one of the best RBs in Europe. Also, Rodri's not the sort of player that will be outwardly impressive, but the role he plays and the job he does is very impressive, and I think he'll play alongside Fernandinho not instead of most of the time. At full strength I see them lining up:

---------------------Ederson----------------------
-------Stones-----Fernandinho----Laporte-----
-Cancelo-----------Rodri------------Mendy-------
---------B Silva-------------KDB---------------------
-------------------Aguero-------------Sterling-------

Won't ever play in a strigent formation like that, but generally that set-up from the start. B Silva plays the role he did last year dropping into midfield where needed but also used on the right. Fernandinho drops into CB when needed otherwise forms a 2 man midfield with Rodri allowing KDB to roam forward and form a 4-man attack on the counter. Looks bloody scary to me.

Liverpool seem content to just continue with what they had last year, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as they did well last year, but when City are still looking to improve I'm surprised Liverpool aren't doing the same.

They already Walker playing at RB who Pep clearly rates , and Cancelo is no better than Walker , ( one of the best RB in Europe is a bit touch over the top ) and including Mendy is a risk when the guy hardly plays. So it wouldn’t surprise me if he is looking to put Cancelo at LB maybe. If they were swapping Danilo for Sandro then that makes a big difference adding someone in at LB.

Yes we seem to be buying for the future at the moment but I have a feeling Klopp just doesn’t fancy any of the players on the market at the moment and he only seems to spend when there is someone he really wants - and we have some talented young players but going to rely on the front 3 again
 

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