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Don’t remember you being this vocal when Firminho got his criminal conviction or are there varying degrees of criminal convictions?
Piece
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Messi deserved the WPOTY award. He managed 51 goals in 50 games for Barcelona last season and he was playing as a playmaker, not as pure striker. He topped the assist chart in La Liga, created more clear chances, scored more doubles, more hatricks and hit the woodwork 10 times too. It might be boring for some to see the same person win it so often but you can't debate on any serious basis.
He carried a mediocre Barcelona side to the title and CL semi final, where they should've gone through. People forget they missed about 3/4 clear chances in the first half at Anfield. Taking nothing away from Liverpool who were unlucky in the first leg and deserved to go through for their second half performance at Anfield. But he was that close to a league and CL double and carried the entire side. This season he's doing the same - when he missed the start of the season they were losing/drawing to nomarks. With him they'll go close to a double or treble. He's THAT good.
VVD had a very good season but he's been off the pace since August and Liverpool can't keep clean sheets even against relegation fodder. He's the best defender in the world but absolutely no way he deserved this award. Liverpool conceded 13 goals in 13 games in Europe which isn't exactly great. If they'd won the CL based on clean sheets and narrow wins you'd be able to make a bigger case but it was the attack that won it for them.
Anyway, let's all be thankful Messi has more of these than Ronaldo now
With all due respect honourable gentleman, that was written from a Messi fan-boy point of view.
Perhaps VVD should take a leaf out of Messi's book and call France Football "corrupt" and the award "fixed, favouring Messi to win".
Seriously though, when you look at the voting details, it is comical in areas and you do see why Messi and Ronaldo win all the time. TTA is the best footballer in world say Sri Lanka. Bhutan only voted for Liverpool players.
. Togo selected Hugo Lloris at third best.
clubchamp98
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Well I wouldn’t put pedos or murderers in with tax fraud.Don’t remember you being this vocal when Firminho got his criminal conviction or are there varying degrees of criminal convictions?
I am not one of Firminos biggest fans.. as I have stated many times.
But he hasn’t won the biggest accolade.
Messi did when he should have been behind bars imo.
4LEX
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With all due respect honourable gentleman, that was written from a Messi fan-boy point of view.
Perhaps VVD should take a leaf out of Messi's book and call France Football "corrupt" and the award "fixed, favouring Messi to win".
Seriously though, when you look at the voting details, it is comical in areas and you do see why Messi and Ronaldo win all the time. TTA is the best footballer in world say Sri Lanka. Bhutan only voted for Liverpool players.
I deleted it by mistake when trying to edit a typo - thanks for quoting it!
But honestly I just say it as I see it - no bias at all. As for voting you'll always the odd bizarre and biased picks but overall the picture will be a fair reflection.
Messi was different level last season. Compare VVD to Vidic in 08/09. Vidic kept more more clean sheets, conceded less goals, made more tackles, won more headers and won the Premiership, League Cup and reached a CL final having won it the year before (plus the Premiership again). He had a better season than VVD last season but he wasn't in the Top 3.
Messi had a vastly better season and carried a lesser side with a inferior manager to more silverware......totally deserved.
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Behind bars! Messi didn’t kill anyone, Firminho had more chance of that drink driving, do you think both should of lost their job?
clubchamp98
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No I don’t we all make mistakes !
But just don’t give tax fraudsters top honours.
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Thanks for the clarification, some mistakes are more of a mistake than other mistakes. Got it.
clubchamp98
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Don’t do that he asked a specific question and you know it.
clubchamp98
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Well Prince Andrew is finding that out now.Thanks for the clarification, some mistakes are more of a mistake than other mistakes. Got it.
Pin-seeker
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jeez chill out,it’s just a football award ?
He asked if both should have lost their jobs.
You said no.
But you’d already claimed Messi should have been behind bars.
So best case you’ve realised you went ott in your condemnation of Messi simply because VvD didn’t get the award you wanted.
Worse case you think fraud is worse than drink driving. Because that’s the only logical way to interpret you saying they both didn’t deserve to be in jail.
For the record, I dont think you meant it like that. Just got carried away about Messi ?
clubchamp98
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I don’t give a *** about VVD I just don’t like TAX DODGERS.
Or people who can buy their way out of a jail sentence.
I never brought Firmino into it so how can you say that ,it’s impossible to compare the two.
Paul’s right Firmino could have killed someone so is potentially the graver crime.
Messi could have served his time and kept his job if he had he would not have won that’s all.
Your logic needs work .
Except that jail sentences under 24 months don’t require jail time if you pay a relevant fine. Relevant being the key word. Messi gets 200k or whatever it was. Tim the builder might get 1k.
So Messi was NEVER going to be in jail. He didn’t get special treatment. He simply followed the process required in Spain.
But this has gone on long enough. So I’ll bail ?? on the convo now.
Slime
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Give it a rest, guys, this is a PL thread. Start a Ballon d'Or one please.
clubchamp98
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Bit late it’s over.
Swingalot
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Great win tonight. We had a makeshift defence out before the red card and then an early injury to Pva, but still got the win. Great spirit and nice to have Selhurst rocking under the lights and not a half and half scarf or football tourist to be seen!
Eddie Howe for Arsenal? Most overrated manager in the league. £20+ for solanki? Wow!
Eddie Howe for Arsenal? Most overrated manager in the league. £20+ for solanki? Wow!
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Perfect fit for Everton ?
Harsh sending off imo but very good battling performance with 10men.
4LEX
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Anyone looking forward to Mourinho turning over Man Utd tomorrow?
Ole looks more gormless as the weeks roll on. Was it Slime who thought he was something special?! Someone said he got sacked by Cardiff for having a 30% win ratio, yet since he's been made Man Utd manager permantley his win ratio is 24%
Mourinho had 58% and even Moyes had something in the 40% range.
He's failed to beat West Ham, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Villa, Sheffield Utd and Palace this season.
I'll have the popcorn and crisps out tomorow. Amazon Prime and car crash time
Ole looks more gormless as the weeks roll on. Was it Slime who thought he was something special?! Someone said he got sacked by Cardiff for having a 30% win ratio, yet since he's been made Man Utd manager permantley his win ratio is 24%
Mourinho had 58% and even Moyes had something in the 40% range.He's failed to beat West Ham, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Villa, Sheffield Utd and Palace this season.
I'll have the popcorn and crisps out tomorow. Amazon Prime and car crash time
Swingalot
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Looked harsh, hope we get it overturned.
Really enjoyed tonight, a proper team performance. Nice to see players giving 100% to a man.
5th in the league......nosebleed time!
