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Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

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sawtooth said:
You can wanted a change 18mths ago and now probably realise what a good job Wenger was doing. Now you want another change.

#selfentitled
#shambles
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Just because Emery is having a mare doesn’t mean it was wrong to move on from Wenger . Wenger time had come to an end - the team were going backwards and something needed to happen, Arsenal just went for someone who was available instead of trying to get the best or someone to develop with - either way it was right to move Wenger on but wrong to replace him with Emery and now they will have to do it again and maybe this time they may get it right.
 
Emery simply isn't doing the club and the players any favours. They look so dazed and confused on the pitch and seem unable to follow game plans or adapt when things aren't going well. I din't think the squad is string enough and the manager capable enough. Has to be time for a change
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Just because Emery is having a mare doesn’t mean it was wrong to move on from Wenger . Wenger time had come to an end - the team were going backwards and something needed to happen, Arsenal just went for someone who was available instead of trying to get the best or someone to develop with - either way it was right to move Wenger on but wrong to replace him with Emery and now they will have to do it again and maybe this time they may get it right.
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That’s your opinion.

Wenger set a new standard at Arsenal basically owning a top 4 space for 20 years.

He missed a couple and then self entitled fans saw that as not being good enough and wanted change.

So should we change manager every 18mths until we get someone who happens to get early success?

I don’t like that idea and I’m not fixated by winning trophies. I’d settle for having an Arsenal side that play attractive, entertaining football competing at top end of the table and in the CL most years.

As far as I’m concerned we had that with Wenger and should have trusted the great man to recognise himself that his days were over instead of bringing his glorious reign to a ugly and acrimonious end.

The board caved then and I don’t want them caving every time some self entitled deluded fans start jumping up and down.
 
sawtooth said:
That’s your opinion.

Wenger set a new standard at Arsenal basically owning a top 4 space for 20 years.

He missed a couple and then self entitled fans saw that as not being good enough and wanted change.
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It’s not good enough - it’s as simple as that

Arsenal are supposed to be a top club , their fans pay the most expensive tickets in the game , they spent millions on a stadium so that they can challenge for the big trophies. Arsenal couldnt afford not to be in the CL , their business model to improve and bring in players relied upon the club being in the CL - that’s why it was time for Wenger to go , other clubs around them where improving and going past Arsenal

So should we change manager every 18mths until we get someone who happens to get early success?

I don’t like that idea and I’m not fixated by winning trophies. I’d settle for having an Arsenal side that play attractive, entertaining football competing at top end of the table and in the CL most years.

As far as I’m concerned we had that with Wenger and should have trusted the great man to recognise himself that his days were over instead of bringing his glorious reign to a ugly and acrimonious end.

The board caved then and I don’t want them caving every time some self entitled deluded fans start jumping up and down.
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You didn’t have that for the last two years with Wenger , and sorry but settling for top being in the top 4 is not the reason why they left Highbury and spent millions and it’s not what keeps top players at clubs , they want to win and challenge for the big clubs

Your acceptance of mediocrity for Arsenal is a direct result of your desire to have kept Wenger.

I reckon 99% of Arsenal fans disagree With you - i know my Brother in Law who pays over a grand for his ST certainly does
 
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At the moment Arsenal are nowhere near a top 4 side and really need the CL revenue if they are going to keep the top players and attract new talent into the club. Settling for top 4 is a negative ambition and surely you want a side that can play attractive football (and not the old 1-0 to the Arsenal style) and challenge for the PL, CL qualification and domestic cups
 
HomerJSimpson said:
At the moment Arsenal are nowhere near a top 4 side and really need the CL revenue if they are going to keep the top players and attract new talent into the club. Settling for top 4 is a negative ambition and surely you want a side that can play attractive football (and not the old 1-0 to the Arsenal style) and challenge for the PL, CL qualification and domestic cups
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Yes I said that Homer, attractive entertaining football is a must. Top 4 is a must because you will give your self a chance to compete for the league not every year but most years.

CL football is where Arsenal should aspire to be for sure.

Winning honours is of course what every one would like but it shouldn’t be the be all and end all IMO. There are degrees of success that’s all I’m saying.

Emery right now is not successful by any measure that is obvious. It can’t continue for ever that should go without saying but 18mths and mid season is a bit soon for me especially if the board havent properly sounded out a successor.
 
sawtooth said:
So you reckon 99% agree with you because your brother in law says so.

Thats a lot of people you both speak for lol.
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I didn’t say 99% with agree with me - I said 99% would disagree with you , not one Arsenal on here would agree with you , not one Arsenal fan I know would agree with you , certainly don’t hear them agreeing with you on the phone ins etc

Arsenal right now are going to struggle to stay in the top 6
 
sawtooth said:
You can wanted a change 18mths ago and now probably realise what a good job Wenger was doing. Now you want another change.

#selfentitled
#shambles
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Change was well due 18mths ago,. And 18mths as I've said many times is enough as a bare minimum to at least know your squad and figure out best formation he can't do that in a single game.

Besides by your own admission you want to see good football and top 4, we're getting neither with Emery. You're at best trolling now, besides I really don't need to add anything more to reply as LP has summed it up perfectly and he's not even an arsenal fan
 
sawtooth said:
Yes I said that Homer, attractive entertaining football is a must. Top 4 is a must because you will give your self a chance to compete for the league not every year but most years.

CL football is where Arsenal should aspire to be for sure.

Winning honours is of course what every one would like but it shouldn’t be the be all and end all IMO. There are degrees of success that’s all I’m saying.

Emery right now is not successful by any measure that is obvious. It can’t continue for ever that should go without saying but 18mths and mid season is a bit soon for me especially if the board havent properly sounded out a successor.
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I agree there are degrees of success but I'd argue most fans of most teams would want to see progress towards ultimately achieving success and winning a trophy. I think eighteen months is long enough when he's had a stable squad to work with but the fact he seems unable to select a consistent/best side for any game and players are out of position and seemingly unable (perhaps even unwilling at this stage) to follow his instructions would worry me as a fan. I don't think he's necessarily a bad manager but just don't think he's capable of pulling off what's required to get Arsenal to top four and the CL and if anything more chance of missing Europa next year as well. If it was me I'd prefer to get someone in now, give them a few games before the window opens in January
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I agree there are degrees of success but I'd argue most fans of most teams would want to see progress towards ultimately achieving success and winning a trophy. I think eighteen months is long enough when he's had a stable squad to work with but the fact he seems unable to select a consistent/best side for any game and players are out of position and seemingly unable (perhaps even unwilling at this stage) to follow his instructions would worry me as a fan. I don't think he's necessarily a bad manager but just don't think he's capable of pulling off what's required to get Arsenal to top four and the CL and if anything more chance of missing Europa next year as well. If it was me I'd prefer to get someone in now, give them a few games before the window opens in January
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It’s not been that stable Homer in fact it’s been anything but.

We should at the very least give him until after the City match in December. We have 4-5 winnable games till then.

Personally I would like to see him backed in January and then see how it pans out for the rest of the season before taking stock in the Summer.

He’s a good coach and it might just need a couple of different players for it to click
 
sawtooth said:
That’s your opinion.

Wenger set a new standard at Arsenal basically owning a top 4 space for 20 years.
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Is that really such an achievement? A top 4 spot for 20 years in what for several years was a two horse race (1997-2003) between Man Utd and Arsenal until Chelsea and later Man City and Liverpool joined the party. Owning a top 4 place for 20 years sounds great but when only two or three clubs are realistically challenging for the title it isn't such a magnificent achievement.
 
And he's........ GONE.
Christmas comes early the board finally growing a pair of cojones. Hopefully won't be a rushed appointment like the Emery one was and they get someone in that has a vision of how they want the team to line up, style of play and will get the team tother as a unit again
 
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