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[Hobbit]

I have no doubt Kane made it look worse and with the thought Lovren could get sent off, that does not mean Lovren shouldn’t get booked for putting his arm into Kane’s neck.

I’ve said before all teams have players that will try to con the ref some worse than others and sadly that’s the way the game is.

Frankly it’s pointless anyone calling any player out because because before long it will be one of their own players.

I don't doubt that the majority of players make more of it than it really is but just a couple of points. Get a bang on the jaw, and it doesn't have to be too hard, and that force travels up the jaw and can leave a player really groggy. It looks like the player is milking it when in reality they aren't. Get a bang on the point of the nose, and it doesn't have to be hard, and it hurts like hell. Eyes water and it feels horrendous. In both cases, a few mins later it looks like the player was milking it... they may not have been.

I'm not condoning it but I am giving some players the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Slime]

Kane was milking it! He wanted Lovren off.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

@Liverbirdie @Hobbit Totally agree what you both posted.
Taking all Club allegiances out of it, all I’m trying (not very well) is to defend the Officials, they have to make instant decisions for scenarios not covered by VAR, we have to respect those decisions even when when us armchair supporters are shown 10 angles that possibly prove the “injured” player makes it look a lot worse than it is.
The only way this can be clamped down on is for all Yellow Cards to be reviewed after the match and appropriate action is taken.
Currently a team can’t even appeal a Yellow Card unless it’s for mistaken identity (I think).

 

[clubchamp98]

@Liverbirdie @Hobbit Totally agree what you both posted.
Taking all Club allegiances out of it, all I’m trying (not very well) is to defend the Officials, they have to make instant decisions for scenarios not covered by VAR, we have to respect those decisions even when when us armchair supporters are shown 10 angles that possibly prove the “injured” player makes it look a lot worse than it is.
The only way this can be clamped down on is for all Yellow Cards to be reviewed after the match and appropriate action is taken.
Currently a team can’t even appeal a Yellow Card unless it’s for mistaken identity (I think).

Agree with this .
But if a ref can withdraw a yellow on the pitch ( Saha) why can’t he do it after the match.?
The rules need changing over cards but can’t see it anytime soon.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Agree with this .
But if a ref can withdraw a yellow on the pitch ( Saha) why can’t he do it after the match.?
The rules need changing over cards but can’t see it anytime soon.

Because it’s not currently within his remit to do it after the game.
The Zaha one only happened because VAR reviewed the penalty, not the booking.

 

[Liverbirdie]

@Liverbirdie @Hobbit Totally agree what you both posted.
Taking all Club allegiances out of it, all I’m trying (not very well) is to defend the Officials, they have to make instant decisions for scenarios not covered by VAR, we have to respect those decisions even when when us armchair supporters are shown 10 angles that possibly prove the “injured” player makes it look a lot worse than it is.
The only way this can be clamped down on is for all Yellow Cards to be reviewed after the match and appropriate action is taken.
Currently a team can’t even appeal a Yellow Card unless it’s for mistaken identity (I think).

Yep, a start would be to overturn this rubbish of a yellow card cant be reviewed either during match (now we have VAR) or after a match, as in the past.

I think what VAR has shown is that even with 10 camera angles, slo-mo that a berk can still get it massively wrong - thinking the Delofeu tackle by Vertonghen last week.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yep, a start would be to overturn this rubbish of a yellow card cant be reviewed either during match (now we have VAR) or after a match, as in the past.

I think what VAR has shown is that even with 10 camera angles, slo-mo that a berk can still get it massively wrong - thinking the Delofeu tackle by Vertonghen last week.

Agreed, also what doesn’t help is Sky/BT having the 10 angles on an incident and VAR only having 4.

The Media have to take a role in this as well as most controversy is stoked by them.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Kane was milking it! He wanted Lovren off.

I wanted Lovren off too 🤭

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Agreed, also what doesn’t help is Sky/BT having the 10 angles on an incident and VAR only having 4.

The Media have to take a role in this as well as most controversy is stoked by them.

Spot on. They love to dramatise everything, it sells their product.

 

[Orikoru]

So from what some of you are saying, it's lucky Kane did go down, or else the ref may have incorrectly failed to book Lovren for his karate chop to the throat.

I think Hobbit made a great point, the jaw and throat area can be quite sensitive, and it wouldn't take an enormous amount of force for it to hurt, at least in the first few seconds. I'm not saying Kane didn't exaggerate the contact - he probably did - but I would say that a referee could never be convinced enough that he was exaggerating to actually book him for simulation. Especially when you can clearly see there was contact from Lovren's hand. Whenever a player goes down under zero contact, they should absolutely be booked because that's clear as day. See Hudson-Odoi's dive against Burnley for example.

 

[clubchamp98]

Because it’s not currently within his remit to do it after the game.
The Zaha one only happened because VAR reviewed the penalty, not the booking.

Yes we are in agreement.
I just don’t understand the “ it’s not in the rules to change/ cancel a yellow card”
When it’s the people who are making the rules who are saying it.
Just change the rule then.
They made several rule changes this year one more might just help.

As long as they don’t make it like the handball rule. That’s a joke!

 

[Norrin Radd]

So from what some of you are saying, it's lucky Kane did go down, or else the ref may have incorrectly failed to book Lovren for his karate chop to the throat.

I think Hobbit made a great point, the jaw and throat area can be quite sensitive, and it wouldn't take an enormous amount of force for it to hurt, at least in the first few seconds. I'm not saying Kane didn't exaggerate the contact - he probably did - but I would say that a referee could never be convinced enough that he was exaggerating to actually book him for simulation. Especially when you can clearly see there was contact from Lovren's hand. Whenever a player goes down under zero contact, they should absolutely be booked because that's clear as day. See Hudson-Odoi's dive against Burnley for example.

Do you really think it was a karate chop and do you really think that Kane was touched at all and do you think that Kane wasn't cheating and do you think that you might have the wrong glasses on .
Try using clear glass as opposed to heavily rose tinted ones .
I watched the game as a neutral and the amount of feigning injury on both sides was farcical .
And what is all this talk of we this and we that .there is no we ,you are not affiliated in any way to the club so it's they not we .

 

[clubchamp98]

I wanted Lovren off too 🤭

But hopefully for a sub.?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Do you really think it was a karate chop and do you really think that Kane was touched at all and do you think that Kane wasn't cheating and do you think that you might have the wrong glasses on .
Try using clear glass as opposed to heavily rose tinted ones .
I watched the game as a neutral and the amount of feigning injury on both sides was farcical .
And what is all this talk of we this and we that .there is no we ,you are not affiliated in any way to the club so it's they not we .

Weird! That’s not my post

 

[clubchamp98]

So from what some of you are saying, it's lucky Kane did go down, or else the ref may have incorrectly failed to book Lovren for his karate chop to the throat.

I think Hobbit made a great point, the jaw and throat area can be quite sensitive, and it wouldn't take an enormous amount of force for it to hurt, at least in the first few seconds. I'm not saying Kane didn't exaggerate the contact - he probably did - but I would say that a referee could never be convinced enough that he was exaggerating to actually book him for simulation. Especially when you can clearly see there was contact from Lovren's hand. Whenever a player goes down under zero contact, they should absolutely be booked because that's clear as day. See Hudson-Odoi's dive against Burnley for example.

Kane is what 13 st built like a tank as all prem stars are.
You could not get any of them on the floor if you tried.
They go to ground when THEY want in instances like this.

But you are right Lovren did foul him but his reaction was OTT.
But he is not the only one . Every team has them even the defenders do it now.
It’s not going to stop while refs don’t give fouls like this.
But there would be ten penalties a game if that’s a yellow.imo.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Weird! That’s not my post

How come it's your name for someon elses post .like you say weird

 

[Orikoru]

Kane is what 13 st built like a tank as all prem stars are.
You could not get any of them on the floor if you tried.
They go to ground when THEY want in instances like this.

But you are right Lovren did foul him but his reaction was OTT.
But he is not the only one . Every team has them even the defenders do it now.
It’s not going to stop while refs don’t give fouls like this.
But there would be ten penalties a game if that’s a yellow.imo.

I don't disagree with much of that. I believe it's a yellow not necessarily for catching him in the face/throat, but because he put his arm across Kane to deliberately hold him back and stop him getting an easy run past him. That's why I still believe it's a yellow whether Kane exaggerates the contact or not - as you say, that's just what most players do now.

 

[fundy]

Bulgaria have been ordered to play two matches behind closed doors, one suspended for two years, and fined £64,640 over the racist behaviour of fans during the European Qualifier against England.

and thats why England shouldve walked off and not come back out . UEFA just dont take it seriously at all

 

[Orikoru]

Apparently Watford are having a vote with their fans over changing their badge. Candidates as follows:



Personally I think badge D is the clear winner. It's basically the current badge with a hornet replacing the stag thing. Least upheaval but also the cleanest design. A I think looks weird and old-fashioned, B is interesting but too far removed from the current look. C just looks hideous, like an anatomically correct diagram of a hornet that just makes me want to swat it to death. And E just looks pretty forgettable to me.

@Piece which one are you voting for to eventually become your new avatar?? Haha.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Badge B is like a comic book villain symbol. It is horrible.

If it was my club I would go D.