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[Deleted member 16999]

Its really simple, he blows his whistle, he calls Kane over, he goes to his pocket, he pulls out a yellow card and raises it in Kanes direction. At the same time he warns him as the sides captain about both his personal and his teams conduct and that next time it will be red. Simples

He could only do that if he’d of been sat next to Stu_C, read this forum and seen the videos on Twitter.

 

[fundy]

I’m not saying it wasn’t a foul by Lovren, I’m saying he got booked because of Kane’s massive over reaction,

My opinion

rare that youre right Phil but you are this time

 

[Deleted member 1740]

rare that youre right Phil but you are this time

A stuck clock is right twice a day 😂

 

[Rlburnside]

So we got the Spurs fans saying it was a booking and Liverpool Arsenal fans it shouldn't have been, just have to wait for Homer our resident ref to give us a definitive answer

 

[Rlburnside]

I’m not saying it wasn’t a foul by Lovren, I’m saying he got booked because of Kane’s massive over reaction,

My opinion

That's ok we're all entitled to have a opinion, good it's not degenerated like it does sometimes .

 

[Bunkermagnet]

So we got the Spurs fans saying it was a booking and Liverpool Arsenal fans it shouldn't have been, just have to wait for Homer our resident ref to give us a definitive answer

Whether it was a booking is open for discussion, but was Kane right to go down holding his face like he did when the contact (no matter how minimal) is with his neck? Or is Kane Englands answer to Rivaldo?

 

[Rlburnside]

Whether it was a booking is open for discussion, but was Kane right to go down holding his face like he did when the contact (no matter how minimal) is with his neck? Or is Kane Englands answer to Rivaldo?

No and No

 

[Liverbirdie]

Of course it doesn’t, otherwise we’d see a lot of players who are awarded penalties also being booked.

Time and time again on here we see arguments defending players going down in the box after they’ve been fouled saying if they didn’t go down the Ref wouldn’t of given the pen.

Also, who decides what the tolerance is for contact, what makes Bernard fall over when fouled maybe 10 times worse than that which would make Delph fall over.
What maybe a “tap” to some maybe a “smack” to others.

Maybe it doesnt make sense under the rules, but also maybe it does - I dont think that it is clear that you can or you cant.

I think that a penalty could should be given for a foul, BUT if a player OVERREACTS to the contact and is also trying to get a player sent off that in extreme cases he could also book the fouled player for simulating something that didnt happen.

Right, there will deffo be Mane and Salah scenarios similar but as there is a video on here (and also for a perennial offender)look at the Kane one. Fair enough a foul for Kane for putting an arm across Kane, but the false exaggeration of excessive force to the face, probably to try and get Lovren sent off could be booked for ungentlemanly conduct.

Otherwise their is no jeopardy involved for the attacker. Exaggerate contact, no booking for me. If the ref thinks I had been whacked yellow/red for Lovren - thats not fair. Exactly in the same manner for diving in the box up to 8-10 years ago. Single jeopardy until the refs started to book for simulation.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Stu, you were there and it was close to you as you said, you got one look at it and came to a decision, that’s exactly what the Linesman got, he actually gave the decision and told the Ref a hand was raised, I’m not defending Kane and whether he went down easily or not, but this trial by Social Media is stupid.
That offence would of only been reviewed if it had been a Red Card, I don’t think we are being fair to Officials to get every decision correct, every time.

There was a scenario yesterday, can't remember who made the challenge - possibly Rose or Ndombele, but they went right through our player and in first reaction we thought may be a red. The ref gave a yellow quickly, I think.

It made me think, for some tackles should the ref say to the VAR ref, I'm thinking yellow but can you check for red,, but I presume that they cant do that so the ref gives a yellow, then I presume if he does that the VAR cant then upgrade to a red, as "the ref has dealt with it" - am I right?

 

[Liverbirdie]

I know that’s your point, but I disagree, Kane is singled out by Reds when you play them.
Supporters of opposing teams often single out certain players.
Nobody more than Sterling over the years has took stick and there are plenty of other English players have been as well over the years.

Yes, but you are talking fan reaction, Stuey is talking about media reaction and I agree the foreigners are pulled up more than the English, especially if an England international.

 

[clubchamp98]

He did though mate.

I totally agree about the time wasting by Spurs, even as a neutral it was annoying, although I did notice the crowd didn’t boo the time wasting when yous went 2-1 up.

It’s called being in the lead .
We all know all teams do it .
It’s an art .

 

[Liverbirdie]

So we got the Spurs fans saying it was a booking and Liverpool Arsenal fans it shouldn't have been, just have to wait for Homer our resident ref to give us a definitive answer

I think all the reds would say that it was a foul, not necessarily a booking on it's own.

If Lovren had done other fouls, depending on if there was cover, the time in the game (does make a difference with some refs), how far from the goal etc etc

I'd say that most of the time it would be a booking, but Kane's reaction could have seen it become a red.

 

[Liverbirdie]

It’s called being in the lead .
We all know all teams do it .
It’s an art .

Tell me about it, I think the possession stats for the first 15 minutes where:-

Spurs 8%
Liverpool 8%

Serge Aurier's throw ins, injury and miscellany 84%.

 

[clubchamp98]

Its really simple, he blows his whistle, he calls Kane over, he goes to his pocket, he pulls out a yellow card and raises it in Kanes direction. At the same time he warns him as the sides captain about both his personal and his teams conduct and that next time it will be red. Simples

For that to happen we would need good referees.
So no time soon.

 

[clubchamp98]

There was a scenario yesterday, can't remember who made the challenge - possibly Rose or Ndombele, but they went right through our player and in first reaction we thought may be a red. The ref gave a yellow quickly, I think.

It made me think, for some tackles should the ref say to the VAR ref, I'm thinking yellow but can you check for red,, but I presume that they cant do that so the ref gives a yellow, then I presume if he does that the VAR cant then upgrade to a red, as "the ref has dealt with it" - am I right?

Don’t think so.
Look at Saha ,booked for diving then exonerated by VAR and given a penalty.
Ref went over to him and showed him he had cancelled his yellow card.

If that had been a last man one on one outside the box ,would the defender then get a red.?
Nobody knows is the answer!

 

[clubchamp98]

Tell me about it, I think the possession stats for the first 15 minutes where:-

Spurs 8%
Liverpool 8%

Serge Aurier's throw ins, injury and miscellany 84%.

Not having Spurs had 8%.

 

[Rlburnside]

I think all the reds would say that it was a foul, not necessarily a booking on it's own.

If Lovren had done other fouls, depending on if there was cover, the time in the game (does make a difference with some refs), how far from the goal etc etc

I'd say that most of the time it would be a booking, but Kane's reaction could have seen it become a red.

I think all the reds would say that it was a foul, not necessarily a booking on it's own.

If Lovren had done other fouls, depending on if there was cover, the time in the game (does make a difference with some refs), how far from the goal etc etc

I'd say that most of the time it would be a booking, but Kane's reaction could have seen it become a red.

I have no doubt Kane made it look worse and with the thought Lovren could get sent off, that does not mean Lovren shouldn’t get booked for putting his arm into Kane’s neck.

I’ve said before all teams have players that will try to con the ref some worse than others and sadly that’s the way the game is.

Frankly it’s pointless anyone calling any player out because because before long it will be one of their own players.

 

[clubchamp98]

My view is it was a booking , we can all have different o


I have no doubt Kane made it look worse and with the thought Lovren could get sent off, that does not mean Lovren shouldn’t get booked for putting his arm into Kane’s neck.

I’ve said before all teams have players that will try to con the ref some worse than others and sadly that’s the way the game is.

Frankly it’s pointless anyone calling any player out because because before long it will be one of their own players.

It’s 50/50 for me some refs will give yellow some won’t.
If that’s yellow you would have mass yellow cards at corners and free kicks.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I have no doubt Kane made it look worse and with the thought Lovren could get sent off, that does not mean Lovren shouldn’t get booked for putting his arm into Kane’s neck.

I’ve said before all teams have players that will try to con the ref some worse than others and sadly that’s the way the game is.

Frankly it’s pointless anyone calling any player out because because before long it will be one of their own players.

We can call all players out though, including our own.

I'll start next season though.

 

[fundy]

I have no doubt Kane made it look worse and with the thought Lovren could get sent off, that does not mean Lovren shouldn’t get booked for putting his arm into Kane’s neck.

I’ve said before all teams have players that will try to con the ref some worse than others and sadly that’s the way the game is.

Frankly it’s pointless anyone calling any player out because because before long it will be one of their own players.

you are allowed to call out your own players