Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[4LEX]

What has happened to Dele Alli? Can he try harder not to make a pass or look less interested?

I can see me jumping on the bus to Stockley sometime soon... Think there's a few there in need of being reminded of their duty to the game...

Golf course there too. You can fire a few drives into the VAR building as the course is horrific

 

[4LEX]

Where do you start with VAR, from the outset it has been crap. Why to god no one went to Rugby Union for there opinion is beyond me. It should been brought in for offside and penalties for say a season. Then iron out little things. like offside by a finger or hand, eh, offside with something you cannot score with. hows that right. iron it out.THe following season bring in other things like diving etc. But now VAR is looked at for every goal. It is killing the "beautiful game".
There are screens at the side of the pitch. Not one ref has used them. Why, Why are they there then.
The fans at the game are kept in the dark, why?
The referees that made mistakes last year are the same ones making the same mistakes this year with VAR, WHY?

Yesterday there was stonking game between spurs and Liverpool, hardly any posts about it. its a bloody football thread not VAR referee thread. i got up at 07.30 to watch a game. got back in at 6.00pm and all that was talked about was that shower of crap VAR

It's absolutely ridiculous and putting me off watching games. It takes away the moment - which is fair enough for a clear mistake but not for the opinion of a jumped up nomark sat in a studio trying to name a name for himself. It's killing the already bad atmosphere in grounds as no one can cheer properly as every goal is VAR reviewed and then the second cheer is worthless.

Having a debate about the ref after a bad decision was part of the game, now the talk is about a studio outside London more than the actual game.

Sky might as well have a VAR cam and show footage from there and give the games a miss.

 

[sawtooth]

Gotta say ST they showed a clip of him last night on MOTD. If I had paid to watch his performance I would of been booing as well he was atrocious. As a central midfielder he was just not showing for the ball. If as a captain that is the example he is setting. Well he has reaped what he has sown. Like Wenger the Arsenal fans will be there long after he has gone. One thing fans in general do like is some one who tries. Or as they say, puts a shift in. He didn't.

Xhaka does put a shift in. Do you seriously think that any manager would tolerate that behaviour?

Same S@@t was levelled at Ozil and it was scientifically proven that he covered more km in a game than most.

 

[sawtooth]

Think some people are to precious to accept that some players don't deserve praise. He didn't show he wanted the ball on so many occasions when he had space he backed himself into spaces where he took himself out of the game. Applied no effort in the rest of pitch and we're supposed to say that's ok we won't show our frustration, some fans clearly willing to accept mediocrity, and then stating a game like Palace is a hard Derby game. We're meant to be a top 4 contender to be that whether Palace are playing well or not a top team should be expecting to beat them at home. If he got booed off then he has only himself to blame and with his reaction should be stripped of the captaincy and dropped.

As for the Mane conversation on here today, Aurier kicked him in the back of the leg and he went down, that's a penalty in anyone's book. Then there's Guendouzi imo even as a fan lucky to only get a yellow for what would've been a high tackle even in Rugby

I don’t think anyone is saying Mane dived for the penalty keep up.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You guys are bloody obsessed with diving now, it's bordering on insanity. Mane was fouled by Aurier for the penalty, plain as day. Kane was caught in the face by Lovren so he went down. I have no idea what incident Bunkermagnet was referring to with Eriksen, as I don't remember him even going down. It's got to the point where you guys are incensed every time anybody goes down, it's getting out of hand. Players go down sometimes when there's contact, if you can't accept that then you might as well stop watching football now as that's not going to change, and you'll just get yourselves all worked up again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1188534424750743553

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And I believe Sawtooth is talking about when Mane went past two of their players and then got clipped on his heel bringing him down in the first half for a free kick just outside the box - he was clipped knocking him off balance.

Mane goes down too easily at times , so does Salah and they both get pelters from the media - Kane is one of the worst ( just look at his reaction to Lovren ) but it appears he is ignored by the English media

 

[Deleted member 1740]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1188534424750743553

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And I believe Sawtooth is talking about when Mane went past two of their players and then got clipped on his heel bringing him down in the first half for a free kick just outside the box - he was clipped knocking him off balance.

Mane goes down too easily at times , so does Salah and they both get pelters from the media - Kane is one of the worst ( just look at his reaction to Lovren ) but it appears he is ignored by the English media

Not surprised with our Xnephobic press.

 

[Orikoru]

Not sure why you sent the video, I saw it yesterday - that's foul by Lovren, you can't put your hand across someone's face.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not sure why you sent the video, I saw it yesterday - that's foul by Lovren, you can't put your hand across someone's face.

Watch the video a bit more carefully then - he hardly if at all touched his face yet Kane went down as if Mike Tyson had laid on him - he dived , simulated , made the most of the slightest if any touch. If that was Salah or Mane or indeed any Foriegn player in another time then it would be headlines

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Where do you start with VAR, from the outset it has been crap. Why to god no one went to Rugby Union for there opinion is beyond me. It should been brought in for offside and penalties for say a season. Then iron out little things. like offside by a finger or hand, eh, offside with something you cannot score with. hows that right. iron it out.THe following season bring in other things like diving etc. But now VAR is looked at for every goal. It is killing the "beautiful game".
There are screens at the side of the pitch. Not one ref has used them. Why, Why are they there then.
The fans at the game are kept in the dark, why?
The referees that made mistakes last year are the same ones making the same mistakes this year with VAR, WHY?

Yesterday there was stonking game between spurs and Liverpool, hardly any posts about it. its a bloody football thread not VAR referee thread. i got up at 07.30 to watch a game. got back in at 6.00pm and all that was talked about was that shower of crap VAR

Easy sorted mate, let the Referees ref, accept there will be errors, keep VAR and give each Manager a maximum 3 VAR reviews per match.

 

[Orikoru]

Watch the video a bit more carefully then - he hardly if at all touched his face yet Kane went down as if Mike Tyson had laid on him - he dived , simulated , made the most of the slightest if any touch. If that was Salah or Mane or indeed any Foriegn player in another time then it would be headlines

Who cares? It's a foul by Lovren so Kane goes down. This is what I was saying earlier, people are getting obsessed with players' reactions but a foul has been committed there. It's not a 'dive'. If you're fouled you can go down, or stop still and appeal, and leave it up to the ref to make a decision - or you can try and stay on your feet and pursue the ball, but knowing that your opportunity may have gone. I really don't know why people get their knickers in a twist about it. And that's not me defending Kane, I have been consistent and said the same about Mane and Salah in the past. The only relevant factor is whether there was illegal contact sufficient enough to impede his progress. If the player goes down and the ref decides there wasn't enough contact to cause that, then more fool him, he's lost out hasn't he? Why does there have to be a big hullabaloo about it?

 

[Tashyboy]

Xhaka does put a shift in. Do you seriously think that any manager would tolerate that behaviour?

Same S@@t was levelled at Ozil and it was scientifically proven that he covered more km in a game than most.

Ave moved more at snap time

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Who cares? It's a foul by Lovren so Kane goes down. This is what I was saying earlier, people are getting obsessed with players' reactions but a foul has been committed there. It's not a 'dive'. If you're fouled you can go down, or stop still and appeal, and leave it up to the ref to make a decision. I really don't know why people get their knickers in a twist about it. And that's not me defending Kane, I have been consistent and said the same about Mane and Salah in the past. The only relevant factor is whether there was illegal contact sufficient enough to impede his progress. If the player goes down and the ref decides there wasn't enough contact to cause that, then more fool him, he's lost out hasn't he? Why does there have to be a big hullabaloo about it?

Ok Kane faked that he is had been hit in the face , that’s a potential red card offence is it not ? Imagine if the ref had given a red card because Kane went down Like he did rolling around and clutching his face - big huge scream as well - he was acting to gain an advantage , it’s borderline if it was even a foul.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not surprised with our Xnephobic press.

Is it any different to Origi against Utd?
He held the wrong leg didn’t he?
Or Richarliason against Brighton?
He lay there holding his head but was pushed in the back.
Every, absolutely Every, team has players that do it mate.

 

[Orikoru]

Ok Kane faked that he is had been hit in the face , that’s a potential red card offence is it not ? Imagine if the ref had given a red card because Kane went down Like he did rolling around and clutching his face - big huge scream as well - he was acting to gain an advantage , it’s borderline if it was even a foul.

What do you mean? You can see Lovren's hand hit his face can't you?? You're the one that sent the video, did you actually watch it?? If the ref had given Lovren a red card, it would be because he saw him catch Kane in the face with his hand. It would have been tremendously harsh, but I suspect they'd review it on VAR and adjust it just a yellow. It was absolutely a foul!

 

[SteveW86]

Ok Kane faked that he is had been hit in the face , that’s a potential red card offence is it not ? Imagine if the ref had given a red card because Kane went down Like he did rolling around and clutching his face - big huge scream as well - he was acting to gain an advantage , it’s borderline if it was even a foul.

Surely the reliable VAR team would have looked at it then and said, no he has over reacted. Foul, yes but red card no. Or atleast thats maybe how VAR should work

 

[Slime]

What do you mean? You can see Lovren's hand hit his face can't you?? You're the one that sent the video, did you actually watch it?? If the ref had given Lovren a red card, it would be because he saw him catch Kane in the face with his hand. It would have been tremendously harsh, but I suspect they'd review it on VAR and adjust it just a yellow. It was absolutely a foul!

If you are going by the letter of the law I'd give Kane a free kick AND a yellow card. No card for Lovren.

 

[Orikoru]

If you are going by the letter of the law I'd give Kane a free kick AND a yellow card. No card for Lovren.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That doesn't make any sense.

Makes perfect sense

Kane gets the free kick for Lovren pulling him back

Kane then gets the yellow card for simulation for suggesting that Lovren hit him the face ( when the replay especially the second one shows that he didn’t touch the face )

Kane faked being hit the face , he simulated , he screamed loudly and went down as if a boxer had landed a full blow onto the face - it’s a form of cheating , but because it’s Kane it doesn’t get highlighted but he is close to be one of the worse for doing it in the Prem

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Makes perfect sense

Kane gets the free kick for Lovren pulling him back

Kane then gets the yellow card for simulation for suggesting that Lovren hit him the face ( when the replay especially the second one shows that he didn’t touch the face )

Kane faked being hit the face , he simulated , he screamed loudly and went down as if a boxer had landed a full blow onto the face - it’s a form of cheating , but because it’s Kane it doesn’t get highlighted but he is close to be one of the worse for doing it in the Prem

I would say that not only is Lovren the worlds best defender, he must have the worlds hardest hands as that wipe of his hands across Kanes face did more harm than the elbow VVD got at a Liverpool corner, and all VVD did was sit and question why nothing from the ref.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That doesn't make any sense.

Of course it doesn’t, otherwise we’d see a lot of players who are awarded penalties also being booked.

Time and time again on here we see arguments defending players going down in the box after they’ve been fouled saying if they didn’t go down the Ref wouldn’t of given the pen.

Also, who decides what the tolerance is for contact, what makes Bernard fall over when fouled maybe 10 times worse than that which would make Delph fall over.
What maybe a “tap” to some maybe a “smack” to others.