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[ColchesterFC]

Who else do we have that could come into the defence? There's obviously Gomez at Liverpool (is he injured at the minute?) but after that it seems the cupboard is pretty bare. I think apart from that we're a pretty decent team. We've got decent full backs and the front three aren't too shabby with cover for all those positions. Could probably do with another striker in case Kane gets injured as I'm not sure Rashford is the answer right now. Would definitely give Maddison a run instead of Barkley and possibly give Mount a go, as he seems to get rave reviews but I haven't seen enough of him myself to make that call. Still not convinced by Rice and Henderson together but not sure who could come in for them. Foden either needs to start getting more minutes at Man City or go out on loan for a season to let him play.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Who else do we have that could come into the defence? There's obviously Gomez at Liverpool (is he injured at the minute?) but after that it seems the cupboard is pretty bare. I think apart from that we're a pretty decent team. We've got decent full backs and the front three aren't too shabby with cover for all those positions. Could probably do with another striker in case Kane gets injured as I'm not sure Rashford is the answer right now. Would definitely give Maddison a run instead of Barkley and possibly give Mount a go, as he seems to get rave reviews but I haven't seen enough of him myself to make that call. Still not convinced by Rice and Henderson together but not sure who could come in for them. Foden either needs to start getting more minutes at Man City or go out on loan for a season to let him play.

I agree. The defensive cupboard is bare bar Gomez and the midfield seems to lack a spark that someone like a Modric could supply. We must have someone that can collect a ball and then make a killer pass or know when to hold onto the ball

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I think you will find that a certain world cup winning captain invented the sideways pass ,Bobby Moore rarely if ever passed the ball forward,even when he played for West Ham

Did you ever see him play?

As a defender Moore was renowned for his range of passing due to his ability to see the game in front of him, both at club and international level.

Just look at the ball he played for the fourth goal in the WC Final.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Who else do we have that could come into the defence? There's obviously Gomez at Liverpool (is he injured at the minute?) but after that it seems the cupboard is pretty bare. I think apart from that we're a pretty decent team. We've got decent full backs and the front three aren't too shabby with cover for all those positions. Could probably do with another striker in case Kane gets injured as I'm not sure Rashford is the answer right now. Would definitely give Maddison a run instead of Barkley and possibly give Mount a go, as he seems to get rave reviews but I haven't seen enough of him myself to make that call. Still not convinced by Rice and Henderson together but not sure who could come in for them. Foden either needs to start getting more minutes at Man City or go out on loan for a season to let him play.

The issue is Southgate clearly doesn’t trust his CB pairing to be strong enough so has two player sitting - Maguire well he isn’t a top CB but he is good in a three where his deficiencies can be covered , Gomez would be imo a good partner for him but he has started a bit rusty so far. There is also the issue of the GK - again he imo isn’t the best they can pick , Pope and Heaton imo are better.

Then in the middle Rice and Henderson can work but they need to let one move forward and carry the ball - Henderson was superb for us when Fabinho came in and sat , so if you allow that and add in either a Maddison or a Mount then you start to have a very bright England team as long as the tactics are right

Pope

TAA
Gomez
Maguire
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Maddison

Sancho
Kane
Sterling

Against the lesser nations you could prob bring in a Barkley for Rice or Henderson

I don’t believe players like Foden can be included until he starts doing it week in week out in the Prem

 

[MegaSteve]

happy with that, looks accurate through my tints

Probably doesn't need any additional reasons... But won't be helpful for getting Kroenke to loosen the purse strings...

 

[pokerjoke]

The issue is Southgate clearly doesn’t trust his CB pairing to be strong enough so has two player sitting - Maguire well he isn’t a top CB but he is good in a three where his deficiencies can be covered , Gomez would be imo a good partner for him but he has started a bit rusty so far. There is also the issue of the GK - again he imo isn’t the best they can pick , Pope and Heaton imo are better.

Then in the middle Rice and Henderson can work but they need to let one move forward and carry the ball - Henderson was superb for us when Fabinho came in and sat , so if you allow that and add in either a Maddison or a Mount then you start to have a very bright England team as long as the tactics are right

Pope

TAA
Gomez
Maguire
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Maddison

Sancho
Kane
Sterling

Against the lesser nations you could prob bring in a Barkley for Rice or Henderson

I don’t believe players like Foden can be included until he starts doing it week in week out in the Prem

But you would happily put Gomez in who’s played 1 P/L game this season

 

[Kellfire]

The issue is Southgate clearly doesn’t trust his CB pairing to be strong enough so has two player sitting - Maguire well he isn’t a top CB but he is good in a three where his deficiencies can be covered , Gomez would be imo a good partner for him but he has started a bit rusty so far. There is also the issue of the GK - again he imo isn’t the best they can pick , Pope and Heaton imo are better.

Then in the middle Rice and Henderson can work but they need to let one move forward and carry the ball - Henderson was superb for us when Fabinho came in and sat , so if you allow that and add in either a Maddison or a Mount then you start to have a very bright England team as long as the tactics are right

Pope

TAA
Gomez
Maguire
Chilwell

Rice
Henderson
Maddison

Sancho
Kane
Sterling

Against the lesser nations you could prob bring in a Barkley for Rice or Henderson

I don’t believe players like Foden can be included until he starts doing it week in week out in the Prem

So Maguire isn’t a top CB but Gomez is just rusty?

Ah mate. You’re never a Liverpool fan, are you?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So Maguire isn’t a top CB but Gomez is just rusty?

Ah mate. You’re never a Liverpool fan, are you?

🤦‍♂️ It’s always the same reaction with you

Yes I don’t believe Maguire is a top CB , do you think he is ?

Gomez showed his ability last season before getting injured both for club and country and was superb , he has still done well this season but hasn’t got going yet after that injury but when he finds full fitness and form is imo the best English CB on offer

And it has zero to do with who I support - it’s getting rather boring from you with just the constant little snipey one line answers - you appear to offer nothing else but to dismiss others opinions. Maybe one day you might surprise us all and actually offer an opinion.

 

[pokerjoke]

So Maguire isn’t a top CB but Gomez is just rusty?

Ah mate. You’re never a Liverpool fan, are you?

Yes a Liverpool fan and a very biased one.
Didn’t you see all the big clubs fighting over Gomez

 

[pokerjoke]

🤦‍♂️ It’s always the same reaction with you

Yes I don’t believe Maguire is a top CB , do you think he is ?

Gomez showed his ability last season before getting injured both for club and country and was superb , he has still done well this season but hasn’t got going yet after that injury but when he finds full fitness and form is imo the best English CB on offer

And it has zero to do with who I support - it’s getting rather boring from you with just the constant little snipey one line answers - you appear to offer nothing else but to dismiss others opinions. Maybe one day you might surprise us all and actually offer an opinion.

Calling someone boring and snipey is just classic hypocrite Phil all over.

 

[clubchamp98]

I think you will find that a certain world cup winning captain invented the sideways pass ,Bobby Moore rarely if ever passed the ball forward,even when he played for West Ham

Yes but he was a CB the midfield are supposed to create ,well at least one of them is.

 

[Orikoru]

Who else do we have that could come into the defence? There's obviously Gomez at Liverpool (is he injured at the minute?) but after that it seems the cupboard is pretty bare. I think apart from that we're a pretty decent team. We've got decent full backs and the front three aren't too shabby with cover for all those positions. Could probably do with another striker in case Kane gets injured as I'm not sure Rashford is the answer right now. Would definitely give Maddison a run instead of Barkley and possibly give Mount a go, as he seems to get rave reviews but I haven't seen enough of him myself to make that call. Still not convinced by Rice and Henderson together but not sure who could come in for them. Foden either needs to start getting more minutes at Man City or go out on loan for a season to let him play.

Agree with all of that. We are limited in terms of centre backs, but Gomez I think is the one for the future. Barkley is brainless and Maddison has far more class and intelligence in my opinion. I don't know what he has to do to be given a chance. Obviously biased as a Spurs fan, but I would have Winks in for Henderson long term, similar kind of player but much classier on the ball. Henderson always looks like he doesn't know what to do with it. Winks is a lot more mobile. And I have to agree on Foden as well - playing 5 league cup games and a dead rubber against Shakhtar this season is not going to be enough to get him in the England side. We have to see what he can do in a regular starting role. If he can get that then there's a strong possibility he'll be ahead of Hendo & Winks in the supporting midfield role.

The attack picks itself. I'd have Sterling, Kane & Sancho starting every game now. They would give any defence in the world nightmares.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes a Liverpool fan and a very biased one.
Didn’t you see all the big clubs fighting over Gomez

Gomez hasn’t really got back to his full fitness imo , the games he has played he looked very tentative but that will pass.
As with any major injury it’s probably in his head.
I am sure he will be ok in the future.
But Matip has played well so deserves his place.

I thought maguire played ok last night, some of his passing was very good .
But if the team is pushing forward and a holding player (Rice ) gives the ball away the CB are exposed and that happened to much last night.
Against a better team that would be punished.
Would just add that he should not go to ground like he did for the penalty, very clumsy.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Shouldnt this boring international stuff be on a separate thread, as this is a premier league thread.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There are a few others for midfield but for me Winks is a decent player but I don’t see him having anything more than what is on offer - doesn’t seem imo to have the extra little bit beyond a decent Prem player. A centre of Winks and Rice against the top teams ? Can see that being overrun

The one player who imo I would have in there is Loftus Cheek - he if fit would be a perfect foil for a sitting centre mid

But a lot of it will be down to the tactics And how much Southgate trusts the CB pairing

With two fullbacks going forward acting like wingers you need a strong CB pairing and one must have pace and ability on the ball ( we have it with VVD ) - Keane and Maguire are most certainly not that , that’s were Gomez comes in , he has that pace and ability on the ball to work with someone like Maguire and help cover the gaps with your fullbacks going forward and with the help of 1 sitting DM

The potential for England is there - need the right tactics and manager to apply that potential

 

[clubchamp98]

Shouldnt this boring international stuff be on a separate thread, as this is a premier league thread.

There’s no premier league stuff to moan about.

 

[Tashyboy]

Who else do we have that could come into the defence? There's obviously Gomez at Liverpool (is he injured at the minute?) but after that it seems the cupboard is pretty bare. I think apart from that we're a pretty decent team. We've got decent full backs and the front three aren't too shabby with cover for all those positions. Could probably do with another striker in case Kane gets injured as I'm not sure Rashford is the answer right now. Would definitely give Maddison a run instead of Barkley and possibly give Mount a go, as he seems to get rave reviews but I haven't seen enough of him myself to make that call. Still not convinced by Rice and Henderson together but not sure who could come in for them. Foden either needs to start getting more minutes at Man City or go out on loan for a season to let him play.

At the moment, Mount has played 4 games for Chelsea and has a full international cap. Foden has played 19 times for City and is awaiting his first. This season will be another learning year for Foden. I and just about every City fan wants to see him play more, but it is David Silvas last year in a City shirt so I expect him to get a fair bit of play time. Foden should drop into the vacancy left by DS. Chuck in a midfield of Fernadinho, Gunoghan, KDB and B Silva. Well his apprenticeship is coming along nicely. Am busting a gut to see Foden do at Full international what he is currently doing at U 21 level. Gotta say Pep is keeping his feet on the floor.
Come what May the future of Engands midfield should not centre around Rice, Henderson and Barkley.

 

[Orikoru]

There are a few others for midfield but for me Winks is a decent player but I don’t see him having anything more than what is on offer - doesn’t seem imo to have the extra little bit beyond a decent Prem player. A centre of Winks and Rice against the top teams ? Can see that being overrun

The one player who imo I would have in there is Loftus Cheek - he if fit would be a perfect foil for a sitting centre mid

But a lot of it will be down to the tactics And how much Southgate trusts the CB pairing

With two fullbacks going forward acting like wingers you need a strong CB pairing and one must have pace and ability on the ball ( we have it with VVD ) - Keane and Maguire are most certainly not that , that’s were Gomez comes in , he has that pace and ability on the ball to work with someone like Maguire and help cover the gaps with your fullbacks going forward and with the help of 1 sitting DM

The potential for England is there - need the right tactics and manager to apply that potential

Rice and Winks are young though, they have lots of time to improve, and getting them alongside each other early will help them form a good midfield partnership in the long run.

Loftus-Cheek is an attacking midfielder, he would not be 'sitting in centre mid'. Good player though I agree. When he's fit and Oxlade is back to fitness I hope we never see Barkley or Lingard in another squad again.

I thought the whole reason he went to a back 5 for the World Cup was because he didn't trust the centre backs. We're in exactly the same situation on that but he's gone to a back four anyway. Bit odd.

 

[Orikoru]

At the moment, Mount has played 4 games for Chelsea and has a full international cap. Foden has played 19 times for City and is awaiting his first. This season will be another learning year for Foden. I and just about every City fan wants to see him play more, but it is David Silvas last year in a City shirt so I expect him to get a fair bit of play time. Foden should drop into the vacancy left by DS. Chuck in a midfield of Fernadinho, Gunoghan, KDB and B Silva. Well his apprenticeship is coming along nicely. Am busting a gut to see Foden do at Full international what he is currently doing at U 21 level. Gotta say Pep is keeping his feet on the floor.
Come what May the future of Engands midfield should not centre around Rice, Henderson and Barkley.

You say that, but we know full well City will drop £70mil on a 'proper' replacement for David Silva in the summer, and Foden will be in the same boat. Pep has clearly developed the lad really well, but now is the time he needs to be playing week in week out, not 10 mins here and a league cup game there.

 

[Tashyboy]

Gomez hasn’t really got back to his full fitness imo , the games he has played he looked very tentative but that will pass.
As with any major injury it’s probably in his head.
I am sure he will be ok in the future.
But Matip has played well so deserves his place.

I thought maguire played ok last night, some of his passing was very good .
But if the team is pushing forward and a holding player (Rice ) gives the ball away the CB are exposed and that happened to much last night.
Against a better team that would be punished.
Would just add that he should not go to ground like he did for the penalty, very clumsy.

When Pep came to City and we started passing it out from the back, by half time every toilet was empty of paper. Fans were crapping themselves "screaming lump it.forward". Now everyone knows what there doing it looks fantastic seeing defending players comfortable on the ball.
Relate that to England, as much as I like to see it playing out from the back. They look clueless. Two defensive midfielders? They don't look like they know where they should be.