Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Liverbirdie]

Ask a surgeon. Yes
He has a VAR back up all he needed to do was NOT make a decision.
They have been told this ,that’s why the Lino’s don’t flag offside anymore.

Have there never been claims for medical negligence, then?

They DO still flag when its "obvious", just arent meant to if unsure.

 

[clubchamp98]

They DO still flag when its "obvious", just arent meant to if unsure.

Listen I can see your point nobody is perfect.
But players/ managers have press conferences after the games and are quizzed on their decisions.
I havnt seen Kevs press conference to explain to all the Villa fans why he booked Grelish and chalked off their goal.
Why cos they won’t/can’t face the people who pay their wages, the fans.

 

[clubchamp98]

Have there never been claims for medical negligence, then?

They DO still flag when its "obvious", just arent meant to if unsure.

Yes but surgeons are like refs they club together and don’t admit anything

There was one in the Liverpool Norwich game where VVD had to tackle a striker who was yards offside.
Because the striker never touched the ball they gave a corner to Norwich.
That was pretty obvious.
It’s just getting silly.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Isnt it in the sphere of allowing play to go on, and letting VAR sort it out later, as the linesmen are doing with offsides in the main?

Again, I think Friend is terrible, but he may still be trying to get used to letting play develop further rather than whistling first (as has normally been the case in his 20 odd years of reffing).

It’s not the first time Friend has been referee using VAR though and believe he was heavily involved in issues last year in the Cup - maybe he just isn’t up to it or the changes but for me he was looking straight at the incident and should be able to see the clear touch by Zaha first and then Cahill. Yes there always teething issue with new rules and systems etc but Friend initial issue was nothing to do with either

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Friends’ error was nothing to do with any new rule though just pure incompetence



You are manoeuvring away from the point massively

Players , managers coaches make mistakes- they are also accountable for those mistakes if they cost the team points - too many and they lose their job

If Salahs wrong choices had cost the team then there would have been repercussions

Not sure why you bring wages into it 🙄

A referee is there to apply the rules - if they can’t do that to a significant standard required where it’s not costing teams then they should be fired

Wages are relevant as they reflect the muddled and immature thinking of many football fans.

Quite happy to accept errors from multi-millionaire players but demand perfection from refs.

Both are human and, therefore, fallible. About time fans grew up and realised this.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Wages are relevant as they reflect the muddled and immature thinking of many football fans.

Quite happy to accept errors from multi-millionaire players but demand perfection from refs.

Both are human and, therefore, fallible. About time fans grew up and realised this.

Don’t recall anyone saying they are happy with errors from “multi millionaire” players ( again I guess it’s the high horse that allows you to bring in the wages ) and no one demands perfection from the ref. 🙄

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Don’t recall anyone saying they are happy with errors from “multi millionaire” players ( again I guess it’s the high horse that allows you to bring in the wages ) and no one demands perfection from the ref. 🙄

How many posts about ref's decisions compared with the number on individual player errors?

And what high horse is that?

 

[PJ87]

I think the Blades are going to surprise a few teams and pundits, and hopefully can stay up. The summer signings are all making an impsct - Robinson may be a steal at £7m, and both he and Mousset (came on as sub) have added real pace to the forward line.

Early days, but things looking positive.

Rich

Sheffield United are looking decent

Got to be careful ravel doesn’t cause some kind of issue. Blokes a nutter

The interesting thing is with Sheffield United looking good who exactly are going to be the bottom 3? Newcastle everyone has ear marked due to the Ashley situation but other than them it’s hard to pick

Villa look decent
Norwich have a very good goal scorer.. important in a new league

Think it might be 3 established premier league teams that go this season!

I’d be worried if was a Southampton fan

 

[Tashyboy]

PJ87 don't know about the Southampton scenario and relegation. They did well at the weekend. Picking up points against other relegation threatened teams is always a bonus.

 

[Papas1982]

I think we have defensive issues. But I'd not get too carried away re the new teams after 4 games.

We're currently aboulve plenty of relegation candidates and played two top 6 sides.

If we get to 15 - 20 and theyre all doing well I'd be surprised. Can't recall the last time 3 new teams came up they all survived.
Was a poor result at Burnley, but should of snatched a pt against Liverpool tbh.

 

[Kellfire]

Yes but surgeons are like refs they club together and don’t admit anything

Utter nonsense. As someone who has spent much of my adult life analysing medical documentation and has sat in countless meetings where clinicians discuss their mortality levels and surgical techniques, I can promise you they do not just club together and pretend they don't make mistakes on the whole. Some will, just as there are bad people in all walks of life.

 

[Orikoru]

Sheffield United are looking decent

Got to be careful ravel doesn’t cause some kind of issue. Blokes a nutter

The interesting thing is with Sheffield United looking good who exactly are going to be the bottom 3? Newcastle everyone has ear marked due to the Ashley situation but other than them it’s hard to pick

Villa look decent
Norwich have a very good goal scorer.. important in a new league

Think it might be 3 established premier league teams that go this season!

I’d be worried if was a Southampton fan

Can't see Watford remaining down there, surely their squad is too good. Seems like everyone we thought would go down has had a decent result somewhere that makes you question it. Every year it gets more difficult as the general standard of the entire bottom 8 tends to be similar. I think Brighton could still struggle despite that big opening day win. Villa have looked ok, but I'm not sure they'll pick up enough points really. They look like the typical plucky team that does well but gets edged out of games. I like Norwich and I'd like them to stay up but they do seem to be a little bit naive and leaving themselves open at the back. If Pukki keeps scoring they could be ok.

 

[clubchamp98]

Utter nonsense. As someone who has spent much of my adult life analysing medical documentation and has sat in countless meetings where clinicians discuss their mortality levels and surgical techniques, I can promise you they do not just club together and pretend they don't make mistakes on the whole. Some will, just as there are bad people in all walks of life.

You seem to be an expert on everything!
My experience is not the same as yours ,count yourself lucky.!

 

[dronfield]

Sheffield United are looking decent

Got to be careful ravel doesn’t cause some kind of issue. Blokes a nutter

The interesting thing is with Sheffield United looking good who exactly are going to be the bottom 3? Newcastle everyone has ear marked due to the Ashley situation but other than them it’s hard to pick

Villa look decent
Norwich have a very good goal scorer.. important in a new league

Think it might be 3 established premier league teams that go this season!

I’d be worried if was a Southampton fan

Good points - i think Wilder is the right person to manage Ravel, who must realise he is in last chance saloon re Premier League.

By coincidence, our next game is Southampton at home.

Rich

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Can't see Watford remaining down there, surely their squad is too good. Seems like everyone we thought would go down has had a decent result somewhere that makes you question it. Every year it gets more difficult as the general standard of the entire bottom 8 tends to be similar. I think Brighton could still struggle despite that big opening day win. Villa have looked ok, but I'm not sure they'll pick up enough points really. They look like the typical plucky team that does well but gets edged out of games. I like Norwich and I'd like them to stay up but they do seem to be a little bit naive and leaving themselves open at the back. If Pukki keeps scoring they could be ok.

Not sure. Thought Fulham had a decent enough squad last season but they made a complete mess of it from the start. I have a feeling Watford will be ok. Worry about Norwich if Puki's goals dry up or he gets injured and think they'll be in the relegation shake up. Not convinced Brighton have enough this year either. Think Villa will be in the mix too. I also wonder if Bournemouth won't get sucked into it all as well

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Can't see Watford remaining down there, surely their squad is too good. Seems like everyone we thought would go down has had a decent result somewhere that makes you question it. Every year it gets more difficult as the general standard of the entire bottom 8 tends to be similar. I think Brighton could still struggle despite that big opening day win. Villa have looked ok, but I'm not sure they'll pick up enough points really. They look like the typical plucky team that does well but gets edged out of games. I like Norwich and I'd like them to stay up but they do seem to be a little bit naive and leaving themselves open at the back. If Pukki keeps scoring they could be ok.

Further up this thread, you were saying 4 games wasn't enough to judge who would win the PL, but here you are saying who will go down after just as many games?

 

[Orikoru]

Further up this thread, you were saying 4 games wasn't enough to judge who would win the PL, but here you are saying who will go down after just as many games?

No, I said the league table was irrelevant after 4 games. Now I am judging the teams based on watching them play and their squad of players. So that is completely different, obviously.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

No, I said the league table was irrelevant after 4 games. Now I am judging the teams based on watching them play and their squad of players. So that is completely different, obviously.

After 4 games?......obviously

 

[Fish]

Not sure. Thought Fulham had a decent enough squad last season but they made a complete mess of it from the start. I have a feeling Watford will be ok. Worry about Norwich if Puki's goals dry up or he gets injured and think they'll be in the relegation shake up. Not convinced Brighton have enough this year either. Think Villa will be in the mix too. I also wonder if Bournemouth won't get sucked into it all as well

Well that’s 25% of the league Martin, I’m sure you’ll get a couple right with that spread 😏

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Well that’s 25% of the league Martin, I’m sure you’ll get a couple right with that spread 😏

The talk was of the bottom 6-8 sides and who would be in that mini league around relegation.