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[Orikoru]

This is what I thought they said, the bit i cannot get my head a round is this. If we are following Rugby to an extent with VAR. The ref would of let that play continue, goal scored it goes to VAR. REF can ask to see if Grealish dived or not, or any other reason why the goal should not stand. But coz ref allegadly blew the whistle. It don't go to VAR.
Again the similarities between the Grealish decision and the City goal cancelled v Spurs. Not one player complained re the goals. It was a goal in both instances. Every player on the pitches knew it. But VAR and refs screwed up.
This is another of my griefs, the refs until VAR were getting decisions wrong. Var has come along, yet the same people that were getting decisions wrong then, are in charge of VAR and still getting them wrong.
I was all for VAR, but qiute frankly it's getting on me tits now. Another thing, if telly is seeing the VAR decisions, show the same decisions at the grounds so the rioting can begin.

Actually the Jesus goal against us was correctly disallowed as per the new handball law. I don't agree with it but that is the law now. Last season it would have been a goal yeah.

 

[Orikoru]

As I understand it all matches are being viewed by VAR in real time and it is only taken to full scrutiny if the VAR officials think there may have been a "clear and obvious error" based upon that one real time viewing.

Just convinces me that I was right in never wanting VAR in the first place

I was all for it but it's been so awful so far that I've almost completely changed my mind. I knew it would take time to get it right, but at the moment they couldn't get it more wrong if they tried.

It was meant to help the refs get things right, but somehow the opposite is happening and they're using it to justify all their wrong decisions. It's baffling at the minute.

 

[Tashyboy]

Actually the Jesus goal against us was correctly disallowed as per the new handball law. I don't agree with it but that is the law now. Last season it would have been a goal yeah.

Totally agree. Even though i thought it was a goal and everyone else did inc players. I knew the rules and accepted it was no goal even though i thought it a rubbish rule. Imagine my surprise when Newcastle? have a goal and it is ruled ok even though it hits a hand. Thats what am saying. The same people are making the same mistakes.

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-after-liverpool-sell-youngster-to-fiorentina

Blimey that’s a funny one.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It would be reviewed by VAR who would be watching every incident and it was clear and obvious to every one that there was contact so should have been changed but then it’s just the same poor referees making the same poor decisions either with the whistle or in front of a screen

No way of telling after the event but I wonder how many thought it was a clear and obvious error seeing it from just one angle in real time without the benefit of endless replays and slow motion.

That's how the VAR officials have to judge.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No way of telling after the event but I wonder how many thought it was a clear and obvious error seeing it from just one angle in real time without the benefit of endless replays and slow motion.

That's how the VAR officials have to judge.

So VAR only have one angle in real time ? I’m confused because that’s not the VAR they highlighted during the many Sky programs about it - three officials watching screens with replays on various angles and speeds - there is no doubt they would have seen the Grealish incident on multiple angles and different speeds - plenty of time and you could tell it was a decision that made the players react - any decent referee would have had a look again. Even on the 5 live commentary by the time he was booking Grealish the pundit had seen a replay and called it shocking.

Zero point in them if they aren’t looking at any potential incidents more than once

 

[Deleted member 18588]

So VAR only have one angle in real time ? I’m confused because that’s not the VAR they highlighted during the many Sky programs about it - three officials watching screens with replays on various angles and speeds - there is no doubt they would have seen the Grealish incident on multiple angles and different speeds - plenty of time and you could tell it was a decision that made the players react - any decent referee would have had a look again. Even on the 5 live commentary by the time he was booking Grealish the pundit had seen a replay and called it shocking.

Zero point in them if they aren’t looking at any potential incidents more than once

The multiple angles are used for the reviews but not to determine if a clear and obvious error has been made.

If every decision was subject to full scrutiny then there would be little point in having on field referees.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The multiple angles are used for the reviews but not to determine if a clear and obvious error has been made.

If every decision was subject to full scrutiny then there would be little point in having on field referees.

It’s the last minute of the game , a player goes down in the box as the ball reaches a teammate who slots it in as the ref blows for diving - it’s a joke of decision and one that gained one team 3 points and cost another team , it’s the exact reason why VAR was brought it - to stop these sort of incidents happening and costing teams points. The ref has had a complete shocking all round - he should have let play go and then got VAR to check. But because the incompetent idiot said it was a dive VAR should have checked that and told the ref “no he didn’t dive” - either way Friend shouldn’t be near a Prem game again after that.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It’s the last minute of the game , a player goes down in the box as the ball reaches a teammate who slots it in as the ref blows for diving - it’s a joke of decision and one that gained one team 3 points and cost another team , it’s the exact reason why VAR was brought it - to stop these sort of incidents happening and costing teams points. The ref has had a complete shocking all round - he should have let play go and then got VAR to check. But because the incompetent idiot said it was a dive VAR should have checked that and told the ref “no he didn’t dive” - either way Friend shouldn’t be near a Prem game again after that.

It may well have been a bad decision but I just cannot understand the level of condemnation for a referee making a bad call whilst equally bad judgements by players seem to be willingly accepted.

On Saturday Salah twice made shockingly bad decisions but there has been little if any comment. Dual standards?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It may well have been a bad decision but I just cannot understand the level of condemnation for a referee making a bad call whilst equally bad judgements by players seem to be willingly accepted.

On Saturday Salah twice made shockingly bad decisions but there has been little if any comment. Dual standards?

Can you really compare a player making the wrong pass or taking a shot on when he should have passed to a referee making ?

One is applying the rules the other is just playing the sport.

 

[dronfield]

Robinson was a real handful, he’s going to be a very good prospect, can see them struggling to hold on to him.

They’re hard to break down, they work hard for each other, you need to move the ball quickly otherwise they swamp you.

RLC would have been a game changer in this type of game game, someone I didn’t mention earlier, and also CHO, when these players are back fit Frank will have a much stronger squad to select from.

Those that are writing us off and criticising us are obviously concerned, I’m happy to bet them that we’ll finish above their club and doubled it up to be the highest London club in the PL 👍😎💙

I think the Blades are going to surprise a few teams and pundits, and hopefully can stay up. The summer signings are all making an impsct - Robinson may be a steal at £7m, and both he and Mousset (came on as sub) have added real pace to the forward line.

Early days, but things looking positive.

Rich

 

[Liverbirdie]

I have only glanced through some of the comments regarding the Palace/Villa game, and whilst also agreeing that Kevin Friend is a shocking ref, can i use a golfing analogy

How many of you (or us) have absolutely hit the ground running with regards the new rules of golf? I know I still go to drop a ball from the shoulder, until I realise my mistake.

Ergo, do you expect everything to be "perfect" straight away?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Can you really compare a player making the wrong pass or taking a shot on when he should have passed to a referee making ?

One is applying the rules the other is just playing the sport.

And yet the one who is "just " playing the sport is paid around £5 million p.a. whilst the other, who you expect to be perfect, receives only a small fraction of that amount.

Referees and players are all part of the same game.

 

[clubchamp98]

It may well have been a bad decision but I just cannot understand the level of condemnation for a referee making a bad call whilst equally bad judgements by players seem to be willingly accepted.

On Saturday Salah twice made shockingly bad decisions but there has been little if any comment. Dual standards?

I think Mane had something to say about that!!!
Salah didn’t cost Villa a point.
Any bad decisions by a player can only hurt his own team.
You cannot compare them.
A player makes decisions while someone is trying to kick him up in the air, nobody tackles the ref.
He is in his own space looking in or not as the case may be.

 

[clubchamp98]

I have only glanced through some of the comments regarding the Palace/Villa game, and whilst also agreeing that Kevin Friend is a shocking ref, can i use a golfing analogy

How many of you (or us) have absolutely hit the ground running with regards the new rules of golf? I know I still go to drop a ball from the shoulder, until I realise my mistake.

Ergo, do you expect everything to be "perfect" straight away?

If it was your job then yes I would.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have only glanced through some of the comments regarding the Palace/Villa game, and whilst also agreeing that Kevin Friend is a shocking ref, can i use a golfing analogy

How many of you (or us) have absolutely hit the ground running with regards the new rules of golf? I know I still go to drop a ball from the shoulder, until I realise my mistake.

Ergo, do you expect everything to be "perfect" straight away?

Friends’ error was nothing to do with any new rule though just pure incompetence

And yet the one who is "just " playing the sport is paid around £5 million p.a. whilst the other, who you expect to be perfect, receives only a small fraction of that amount.

Referees and players are all part of the same game.

You are manoeuvring away from the point massively

Players , managers coaches make mistakes- they are also accountable for those mistakes if they cost the team points - too many and they lose their job

If Salahs wrong choices had cost the team then there would have been repercussions

Not sure why you bring wages into it 🙄

A referee is there to apply the rules - if they can’t do that to a significant standard required where it’s not costing teams then they should be fired

 

[Liverbirdie]

If it was your job then yes I would.

Perfectly? Absolutely 100% every incident?

 

[chrisd]

I have only glanced through some of the comments regarding the Palace/Villa game, and whilst also agreeing that Kevin Friend is a shocking ref, can i use a golfing analogy

Good old Kevin- great referee, of course I wouldn't be at all biased 🤫

 

[Liverbirdie]

Friends’ error was nothing to do with any new rule though just pure incompetence

Isnt it in the sphere of allowing play to go on, and letting VAR sort it out later, as the linesmen are doing with offsides in the main?

Again, I think Friend is terrible, but he may still be trying to get used to letting play develop further rather than whistling first (as has normally been the case in his 20 odd years of reffing).

 

[clubchamp98]

Perfectly? Absolutely 100% every incident?

Ask a surgeon. Yes
He has a VAR back up all he needed to do was NOT make a decision.
They have been told this ,that’s why the Lino’s don’t flag offside anymore.