Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Liverbirdie]

Slow motion can make a tackle look from a foul to a red card. Then theres the contact issue, not all contact is a foul. Yes theres contact but is it enough to impede someone? How do we measure the contact?

Apparently refs got 96% decisions correct last season, they want to improve that to 98%.

I'm not convinced with the camera angles. Are they all set at the same height/angle in every ground? I very much doubt it.

The days of managers holding refs to ransom like ferguson did are long gone.

I do not believe that happens anymore in any ground.

Yep, agree with all of the first sentence, which its why no-one would say it would be 100% correct.

And do you actually believe them figures????????

Sorry, but some refs are just cowards and wont make the big decisions, its human nature.

Different sports, but Cricket and Rugby would have had the same conversations years ago and yes footy is harder to do, but it will get better, never be perfect, but done the with the right dynamic and with limited uses, could make it better.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Saying it will be 100% correct? There may be the odd nugget, but no-one who knows what they are on about would claim that VAR would be 100% correct. Many - no chance.

They may have said it will improve, but not people saying it would be 100% correct.

So VAR is currently ruining the game in your opinion, so why not try the other option........cos it would ruin the game. 2 or 3 checks per side decided within 3 seconds, so we dont have the current situation wherby you could have 20 checks a game.

Give me 5 things that could improve the refs.

Refs being micro managed. Let them use common sense.

Players stop cheating.

Managers and players taking responsibility for shithouse performances

Media stop over analysing every contentious decision.

Rotation of refs, the current lot seems to be the same pool of refs season in season out. Maybe the introduction of some overseas refs.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Yep, agree with all of the first sentence, which its why no-one would say it would be 100% correct.

And do you actually believe them figures????????

Sorry, but some refs are just cowards and wont make the big decisions, its human nature.

Different sports, but Cricket and Rugby would have had the same conversations years ago and yes footy is harder to do, but it will get better, never be perfect, but done the with the right dynamic and with limited uses, could make it better.

Yeah agree but those that do need to be shipped out. Who was the last ref to be demoted to Championship?? Andy D'urso?

Are you surprised when they get hounded in the media after every dropped bollock?

VAR should only be used for a matter of fact and leave it there.

Re figures, yes I do. I very much doubt they would just pluck a number out of thin air to make themselves look better.

An improvement of the laws of the game would help massively too.

 

[Tashyboy]

Two pages on VAR when there's a VAR thread 😁.

 

[Orikoru]

The City one on David Silva should have been a penalty as well. That would have been the perfect example of a clear and obvious error because the ref didn't see the player who stamped down on Silva's foot with his studs, causing him to go down. I can't understand why that wasn't overturned. They seem to be afraid to use it properly. It's only there to give millimetre offsides and handballs but not for actual fouls apparently, they're just going to take the ref's word regardless so reviewing it is a waste of time.

 

[PJ87]

The City one on David Silva should have been a penalty as well. That would have been the perfect example of a clear and obvious error because the ref didn't see the player who stamped down on Silva's foot with his studs, causing him to go down. I can't understand why that wasn't overturned. They seem to be afraid to use it properly. It's only there to give millimetre offsides and handballs but not for actual fouls apparently, they're just going to take the ref's word regardless so reviewing it is a waste of time.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/var-right-deny-harry-kane-19009336

Would be nice if they really are clamping down on showmanship

 

[Orikoru]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/var-right-deny-harry-kane-19009336

Would be nice if they really are clamping down on showmanship

Sorry but if Stan Collymore thinks it wasn't a penalty then that only confirms that it definitely was one.

 

[PJ87]

Sorry but if Stan Collymore thinks it wasn't a penalty then that only confirms that it definitely was one.

Have you actually read the article or just dismissed it because of who has written it?

Worth a read

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yeah agree but those that do need to be shipped out. Who was the last ref to be demoted to Championship?? Andy D'urso?

Are you surprised when they get hounded in the media after every dropped bollock?

VAR should only be used for a matter of fact and leave it there.

Re figures, yes I do. I very much doubt they would just pluck a number out of thin air to make themselves look better.

An improvement of the laws of the game would help massively too.

Well a journalist on talk sport today said that the figure was 82% correct. I'm not saying that his figures were right either, but even then is it an independent panel who says that 90 odd percent was correct or just other refs, as with even the most minimal of contact they could say it was a foul, which then leads to refs giving any contact as a foul to "boost the figures".

You cant have common sense and the same decision getting given the same every time, as its all subjective - they are mutually exclusive "nirvanas".

 

[Orikoru]

Have you actually read the article or just dismissed it because of who has written it?

Worth a read

Of course I've dismissed it, it's Collymore. The man is a bell end of the highest order.

 

[Kellfire]

Does the Silva lack of penalty cancel out the fact Ederson and Walker should've been sent off? Call it a VAR score draw in that game.

As for Kane, of course that's a penalty. It's absolutely stone wall. Kane isn't doing anything wrong in any of his actions when battling with Lascelles.

 

[Orikoru]

Does the Silva lack of penalty cancel out the fact Ederson and Walker should've been sent off? Call it a VAR score draw in that game.

As for Kane, of course that's a penalty. It's absolutely stone wall. Kane isn't doing anything wrong in any of his actions when battling with Lascelles.

That's true Walker should have had about three cards. I'm not sure if that's something VAR reviews though. Maybe it does for straight reds, which one of his certainly could have been.

 

[Old Colner]

All this talk of Burnley and time wasting seems a very blinkered, one sided view, every game at Turf Moor (except probably top 6) we have to endure the same tactics from the visiting teams, agree some are worse than others but they all do it.

 

[Tashyboy]

That's true Walker should have had about three cards. I'm not sure if that's something VAR reviews though. Maybe it does for straight reds, which one of his certainly could have been.

The comments by Stan collymore, although I could just see past his woman beating antics. Were the comments of someone looking for a "stage" to say look at me. And yet some people think he is correct. The Mirror photo endorses his Rammel by showing a photo of Silva a second after contact. Again complete and utter Rammel. It's not that though what amuses me. Walker should of had a yellow for standing on a players foot. The same happend with Silva and the differance is what?

 

[Tashyboy]

Of course I've dismissed it, it's Collymore. The man is a bell end of the highest order.

Fortunately I did read it and you haven't wasted two mins of your life like I have. ☹️

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Fortunately I did read it and you haven't wasted two mins of your life like I have. ☹️

Perhaps he like many of us are sick of the diving and feigning injury and likely death.
Too often you hear a pundit or commentator say "go down, make the ref make a descision" at a penalty box incident. Somewhere it has to stop, and something has to stop it.
You/me/we may not like Collymore, but he has a valid point that has to be addressed.

 

[Tashyboy]

Perhaps he like many of us are sick of the diving and feigning injury and likely death.
Too often you hear a pundit or commentator say "go down, make the ref make a descision" at a penalty box incident. Somewhere it has to stop, and something has to stop it.

In all honesty BM, He, me, you and millions of others are bogged off. I just think there are far better examples of Rammel VAR decisions he could of used. Plus I think having read the piece, he wants to be subjective on a subjective er subject. Everyone seems to be looking for differant angles on the whole VAR thing. Some of it is not helping and for me Stan collymore is one of them being ably assisted by the Daily Mire.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

In all honesty BM, He, me, you and millions of others are bogged off. I just think there are far better examples of Rammel VAR decisions he could of used. Plus I think having read the piece, he wants to be subjective on a subjective er subject. Everyone seems to be looking for differant angles on the whole VAR thing. Some of it is not helping and for me Stan collymore is one of them being ably assisted by the Daily Mire.

I don't disagree and feel he's only used the 2 examples he has because they are very recent and topic of conversation. However he has a valid point, and something has to change.

 

[MegaSteve]

I am genuinely coming around, more and more, to the thought footie was a WHOLE lot better before the wall to wall coverage we have available to us nowadays...

 

[PJ87]

Great that’s Antonio out for least a few months

Our injury curse strikes once again