Practice Routine

[Deleted member 15344]

compare the quote in 73 to what I actually said in 71. like i said, Odd

Can't see it mate ?

 

[guest100718]

Can't see it mate ?

you removed the word dont, which completely changes what I was saying.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Does someone NEED to demonstrate/provide results? What is this, school? Surely you can improve and area of your game significantly but not see a reduction in handicap due to other parts of the game falling by the way side? My driving is bang on at the minute, frozen rope straight, put can I chip and putt at the moment? Can I balls. In a week it'll be vice versa. I have lost sight of the point I'm making here, but I think we're allowed differences of opinion without the requirement for these opinions to be validated.

The point I was making that when offering advice then surely that advice will need to backed with a bit of evidence

If I said to you chip with a 54 degree wedge from around the green - and my backing is it has helped my score by improving my up and downs from around the green and has helped my handicap reduce by ...

Hence why when someone said - I disagree and a Etc works for me and I ask can you show me how it works for you with your improved scoring and handicap reduction ? Is that not valid to see the results of such a statement ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

you removed the word dont, which completely changes what I was saying.

I haven't removed anything ???

 

[Foxholer]

Haven't knocked anyone who is trying to improve - what I have taken exception to is when someone disagrees with what I was saying but hasn't the practical results to back it up.

As I've posted before. Results mean absolutely nothing - except that you have had those results. Totally unscientific.

The statement 'You could be a Plus 5 if you had practiced' is just as valid as you saying 'look where I am without practice'! As is anything anyone who hasn't had as good results as you! Same applies to PSR.

I happen to know that when I practice, my scores improve. When I don't, they decline. That's all I need to believe there's a correlation - even if it's still rather unscientific.

As for the routine that the OP once hoped might be discussed. I tend to have specific goals in mind if going to the Range - even if it's just to keep the swing warm. So any routine is based around what they are. I'm actually not too keen on using the range a lot. Long game isn't the area that needs the work. If planning it properly, I'd only use the Range 1 in 3 or 4 practice sessions and I'd have a plan of what to practice, so hopefully wouldn't simply bash balls.

 

[3565]

And the problem with that is ?

By doing what I have been doing I have managed to go from a 24 handicapper to 5 in 4 years going from 10 down to 5 last year - so tell me now why I should change ?

:rofl:Cos from 20 odd yrs being a cat 1 player, I know what it takes to stay as a Cat 1 player. You can take this statement how you want to, but you don't!

Maybe you don't have the mental capabilities to change, and it's obvious your happy to be where you are as at the end of the day it's a hobby for your enjoyment. But cos players are wanting to improve, striving to get better and get as low as they can be, doesn't mean they don't enjoy it any less then you!

Whilst I commend you on your efforts from 24-5 in 4yrs, it shows you have a natural ability to play, but I admire the likes of Homer and his determination to get to single figures by at least trying, Aimpoint, new short game technique, PSR, psychology, etc etc.

in reality terms, you are in a similar place to Homer, close to being, but not quite there. He's prepared to change things, you are 'well it's got me where I am player'

Faldo had a good career but he realised he needed changes to win Majors.

Like I said good luck with bouncing around cat1/2

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As I've posted before. Results mean absolutely nothing - except that you have had those results. Totally unscientific.

The statement 'You could be a Plus 5 if you had practiced' is just as valid as you saying 'look where I am without practice'! As is anything anyone who hasn't had as good results as you! Same applies to PSR.

I happen to know that when I practice, my scores improve. When I don't, they decline. That's all I need to believe there's a correlation - even if it's still rather unscientific.

As for the routine that the OP once hoped might be discussed. I tend to have specific goals in mind if going to the Range - even if it's just to keep the swing warm. So any routine is based around what they are. I'm actually not too keen on using the range a lot. Long game isn't the area that needs the work. If planning it properly, I'd only use the Range 1 in 3 or 4 practice sessions and I'd have a plan of what to practice, so hopefully wouldn't simply bash balls.

And that's the exact sort of thing I expected when someone said "it works for me"

You have shown that practise works for you because it has had a positive effect on your game - improvement in scoring :thup:

That is all I initially asked - how does it work for you and what is the practical positive effect in the scoring.

 

[CMAC]

compare the quote in 73 to what I actually said in 71. like i said, Odd

No-one, apart from a mod can edit someone's original post! They can change your quote in their post but not, repeat not in your original.

Think you owe Phil an apology

 

[Deleted member 15344]

:rofl:Cos from 20 odd yrs being a cat 1 player, I know what it takes to stay as a Cat 1 player. You can take this statement how you want to, but you don't!

Maybe you don't have the mental capabilities to change, and it's obvious your happy to be where you are as at the end of the day it's a hobby for your enjoyment. But cos players are wanting to improve, striving to get better and get as low as they can be, doesn't mean they don't enjoy it any less then you!

Whilst I commend you on your efforts from 24-5 in 4yrs, it shows you have a natural ability to play, but I admire the likes of Homer and his determination to get to single figures by at least trying, Aimpoint, new short game technique, PSR, psychology, etc etc.

in reality terms, you are in a similar place to Homer, close to being, but not quite there. He's prepared to change things, you are 'well it's got me where I am player'

Faldo had a good career but he realised he needed changes to win Majors.

Like I said good luck with bouncing around cat1/2

And again what is wrong with bouncing between cat 1 and 2 ?

What am I close to ? Why do I need to change anything when I'm playing the game for enjoyment and am extremely happy.

If my handicap improves it improves - if it doesn't then oh well - if I'm cat 1 or cat 2 it won't make a blind difference

Nothing to do with desire or any mental capabilities etc - it's all down to enjoyment

Golf is a hobby for us club golfers - it's a social game.

 

[3565]

And again what is wrong with bouncing between cat 1 and 2 ?

What am I close to ? Why do I need to change anything when I'm playing the game for enjoyment and am extremely happy.

If my handicap improves it improves - if it doesn't then oh well - if I'm cat 1 or cat 2 it won't make a blind difference

Nothing to do with desire or any mental capabilities etc - it's all down to enjoyment

Golf is a hobby for us club golfers - it's a social game.

then go play the game then. Don't be so pompous in wanting people's validation that a certain thing works for them, when they disagree with you! Why do you want to know that for? To TRY?? Why? YOU play the game for enjoyment, what will be will be is what your saying, so it shouldn't really bother you that people are against your views! Cos what you do works for you....... Knock yourself out.

 

[Whereditgo]

I don’t really see how there can be “proof” that one thing or another has had the claimed improvement anyone suggests. Handicap reduction wouldn’t be the sole basis, who can say whether or not the handicap may have reduced the same or even further without utilising the said new practice method or whatever is suggested?

To my mind why not just take someones word for it? If someone claims ‘X’ part of their game is improved as a consequence of ‘Y’ I am content to believe it may work for me or it may not without asking them to “prove it”.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

then go play the game then. Don't be so pompous in wanting people's validation that a certain thing works for them, when they disagree with you! Why do you want to know that for? To TRY?? Why? YOU play the game for enjoyment, what will be will be is what your saying, so it shouldn't really bother you that people are against your views! Cos what you do works for you....... Knock yourself out.

I do play the game - but let's not forget it was someone disagreeing with my opinion that i asked for validation ?

Is it no longer acceptable to ask for advice etc to backed up with a little bit of proof ?! How is that pompous !

When did I ever suggest I don't try things ?!

Foxholer posted exactly the sort of thing I initially asked for - he has said that when he practises he improves his scoring - nice and simple.

 

[Foxholer]

No-one, apart from a mod can edit someone's original post! They can change your quote in their post but not, repeat not in your original.

Think you owe Phil an apology

Go back and check the posts. It's as guest100718 says! And the missing 'don't' in the quote does change the meaning somewhat!

If any apology owed, its Phil to guest100718 (and you to him too) imo!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Go back and check the posts. It's as guest100718 says! And the missing 'don't' in the quote does change the meaning somewhat!

If any apology owed, its Phil to guest100718 (and you to him too) imo!

I'm very confused here as to what is going on - I haven't changed anyone's post ?! What is all this apology business about ?

 

[Foxholer]

I'm very confused here as to what is going on - I haven't changed anyone's post ?! What is all this apology business about ?

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Somehow a "don't" that was in post 71 disappeared when you quoted it in post 73 - just like guest100718 pointed out!
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[3565]

I do play the game - but let's not forget it was someone disagreeing with my opinion that i asked for validation ?

Is it no longer acceptable to ask for advice etc to backed up with a little bit of proof ?! How is that pompous !

When did I ever suggest I don't try things ?!

Foxholer posted exactly the sort of thing I initially asked for - he has said that when he practises he improves his scoring - nice and simple.

Did Homer not say that his PSR or practising PSR has improved his game whether it's external or internal factors? Is that not validation? Is that not the same as Foxholers statement!!!

I spent 5hrs with Iain from ICY Golf about wedges and he observed and said to try it this way and play it that way, are you seriously going to ask for proof from him that his technique is better to what you believe in? Is that how you go about other aspects of life, please prove and validate to me........

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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Somehow a "don't" that was in post 71 disappeared when you quoted it in post 73 - just like guest100718 pointed out!
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Well I didn't remove anything from his post

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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Did Homer not say that his PSR or practising PSR has improved his game whether it's external or internal factors? Is that not validation? Is that not the same as Foxholers statement!!!

I spent 5hrs with Iain from ICY Golf about wedges and he observed and said to try it this way and play it that way, are you seriously going to ask for proof from him that his technique is better to what you believe in? Is that how you go about other aspects of life, please prove and validate to me........

And I asked how it has improved his game by asking if his scores have improved on a consistent basis - by asking that it appears I committed some crime.

Iain I'm guessing is a "qualified proven coach" as opposed to a 12 handicapper on a forum - his proof and validation is his career :thup:

 

[3565]

Well I didn't remove anything from his post

what he put.

I would reckon that if we followed you about you probbly do have a PSR, whether intentional or not. I dont have one that I practice, but when I think about it I do have one. Nothing amazing or all that long but I do the same thing before each shot.

when you replied the word don't in your post 73 has been omitted.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

what he put.

I would reckon that if we followed you about you probbly do have a PSR, whether intentional or not. I dont have one that I practice, but when I think about it I do have one. Nothing amazing or all that long but I do the same thing before each shot.

when you replied the word don't in your post 73 has been omitted.

Well I haven't omitted anything as I have said numerous times now

Possibly the don't was put in after I quoted the message ?

I read that he said don't practise anyway so not sure the big deal or the demands for apologies etc