Practice Routine

[Deleted member 15344]

Define your improvement Phil. or is it just a psychological one? I want numbers and stats!!

More putts drop in the hole - would say my "make" percentage from 6ft has increased by a good 50-75%

First round I used it I had if I'm remembering correctly 23 putts

Before the change I opened the face regulary ( especially on short putts )

 

[G_Mulligan]

Harmon , Leadbetter etc are fully qualified coaches to the top players in the world

They aren't club players playing to mid to high handicaps - they have the proof to back up their theories.

During my degree I must have read a 100 books and over 1000 journal articles and ran my own studies into imagery, confidence, visualisation and flow, I have helped a 3 handicapper win his county championship. Please do not for one second ever suggest that I can't back up my advice with sound theory and practical examples.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

During my degree I must have read a 100 books and over 1000 journal articles and ran my own studies into imagery, confidence, visualisation and flow, I have helped a 3 handicapper win his county championship. Please do not for one second ever suggest that I can't back up my advice with sound theory and practical examples.

The only thing that matters there is the county champ - which county ?

Did you mention that last time ?

Understand someone asked if you could post someone's "improvements" as they were visiting you so that we could see the upward curve ? Can you do that ?

 

[rossymcg]

My post regarding my range routine, which someone tried to be clever about and said practice not having a PSR,
The reason I do my practice routine the way I do because it's how my coach has told me to do it, my coach being David Ridley, England A squad coach and coach to players on every professional tour, I strongly believe Daves coaching techniques to be far superior and advanced than Liverpoolphil thoughts and views in the game if golf,

 

[User20205]

During my degree I must have read a 100 books and over 1000 journal articles and ran my own studies into imagery, confidence, visualisation and flow, I have helped a 3 handicapper win his county championship. Please do not for one second ever suggest that I can't back up my advice with sound theory and practical examples.

That's all Phil is asking, 'show me the improvement'.

Not I'm doing it because I've seen it on TV, or I've won a roll up.

He's a skeptic and has asked for proof.

I've no dog in this fight, but I can see his point for validation.

However it is also ok IMO to say I do it because it makes me feel better, which I accept sounds like a contradiction.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My post regarding my range routine, which someone tried to be clever about and said practice not having a PSR,
The reason I do my practice routine the way I do because it's how my coach has told me to do it, my coach being David Ridley, England A squad coach and coach to players on every professional tour, I strongly believe Daves coaching techniques to be far superior and advanced than Liverpoolphil thoughts and views in the game if golf,

See there is more proof ! And I don't blame you for following the advice of days coach - he had the experience and ability to back up what he is asking you to do ! You follow what he does because of who he is.

If a mid handicapper on here told you to something different - you wouldn't unless they provided some proof to their reasoning.

 

[pokerjoke]

If someone said to me ive improved my ball striking I wouldn't necessarily think his
handicap would have come down.
If someone said there putting had improved considerably I would definitely think
there handicap would have dropped.
Or even there short game.
Someone said this.
I for one understand where Phils coming from,i would also be looking for a results
improvement.
Going back to the op,i improved considerably recently due to working
continuously on my short game and getting exact yardages.
These 2 things will definitely get your handicap down.

 

[G_Mulligan]

The only thing that matters there is the county champ - which county ?

Did you mention that last time ?

Understand someone asked if you could post someone's "improvements" as they were visiting you so that we could see the upward curve ? Can you do that ?

that is rediculous to suggest the peer reviewed journals with high participant numbers, statistical analysis, control groups, and background theory would be less worthwhile than one psychologist helping one golfer win a tournament. Where do you think I got the techniques to work on with him?

I have qualifications so as per your previous post I should not have to back up what I am saying just like the ICY wedge guy, he is a wedge builder how do you know what handicap he plays off?

As was mentioned in that thread which is being referred to I am posting our sessions as a case study but due to client confidentiality he has been given an assumed name and no other details of who he is can be disclosed.

With regards to this thread, the OP asked for advice, Homer was one of the first to reply and gave him some advice and a link to a website. You came in and disagreed first, homer disagreed with your disagreement. You went on the offensive asking in a rather rude manner for him to prove what he was saying and mocking his ability and recent performances. Somehow we got into another long drawn out thread with the PSR rearing it's head once again.

 

[pokerjoke]

My post regarding my range routine, which someone tried to be clever about and said practice not having a PSR,
The reason I do my practice routine the way I do because it's how my coach has told me to do it, my coach being David Ridley, England A squad coach and coach to players on every professional tour, I strongly believe Daves coaching techniques to be far superior and advanced than Liverpoolphil thoughts and views in the game if golf,

Has your handicap come down as a result.

 

[Foxholer]

My post regarding my range routine, which someone tried to be clever about and said practice not having a PSR,
The reason I do my practice routine the way I do because it's how my coach has told me to do it, my coach being David Ridley, England A squad coach and coach to players on every professional tour, I strongly believe Daves coaching techniques to be far superior and advanced than Liverpoolphil thoughts and views in the game if golf,

Ah, but can you prove it - with your results? :rofl:

See there is more proof !

Eh? What? Where!

You are spouting nonsense! There's no 'proof' in that statement - though I believe it's correct!

And you are totally contradicting yourself in the process!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A guy improving show actual practical results - that's what I look at.

I have seen a club golfer have a session with Karl Morris and his game fall apart and have his handicap go up 2 shots in that period - believes since that session his head is full of nonsense.

20 golfers went to 3 hour group session with him - since then one person has improved their handicap with 18 not wanting another session with him.

That's a snippet of golfers around the world but speaks volumes for me even though I know other people have seen Karl Morris and shown improvement.

You are qualified - as with the other coaches. Those coaches have results to back up their ability. It will be interesting to read how you improve and your subject improves

 

[Johnny Bravo]

More putts drop in the hole - would say my "make" percentage from 6ft has increased by a good 50-75%

First round I used it I had if I'm remembering correctly 23 putts

Before the change I opened the face regulary ( especially on short putts )

Hi Phil

when did you start using the new method I noticed you had a howler a few weeks ago with only a handful of pars and a barrow load of bogies and a double. Good round at the weekend mind you and see's you scrape back into Cat 1 for now

 

[chrisd]

Won the KoK qualifier. QED

And nearly killed the group in front!

 

[rossymcg]

Has your handicap come down as a result.

Once Dave took me on, my scores got a lot worse before they became better, but then my shot making better, he taught me how to practice and how to monitor my practice sessions, and the importance if a PSR,
Everything improved working with Dave
My pre shot routine you wouldn't notice it as being out of the ordinary because it doesn't last long, only a stand behind the ball, visualise the shot, a slow swing feeling the movements required to make the shot, a quick full swing to take that feeling over the ball, line up and pull the trigger

 

[Foxholer]

And nearly killed the group in front!

Were you the subject of that 'assault'?!

That's 2 near misses! Is the next one going to get you? Or are you a liability to play with!

 

[3565]

A guy improving show actual practical results - that's what I look at.

I have seen a club golfer have a session with Karl Morris and his game fall apart and have his handicap go up 2 shots in that period - believes since that session his head is full of nonsense.

20 golfers went to 3 hour group session with him - since then one person has improved their handicap with 18 not wanting another session with him.

That's a snippet of golfers around the world but speaks volumes for me even though I know other people have seen Karl Morris and shown improvement.

You are qualified - as with the other coaches. Those coaches have results to back up their ability. It will be interesting to read how you improve and your subject improves

When seeking improvements or change there is always a decline when implementing technique, swing, thoughts, and a LOT of work to see the changes to fruition. You can't expect after one session to be playing mind blowing golf. You have to put the work in and apply that in a game situation and in my experience sometimes you exaggerate the changes, which will hold you back, that's why you go back and cure that, then hopefully you get it. What I say to those 18, is that they wasn't prepared to do the work and stick at it tbh.

Just cos out of 20, 18 didn't want to go back doesn't give you the proof that it doesn't work as that is up to the individual who is prepared to work at it. I was fortunate at the age of 11 to have had Seve's arm on my shoulder and ask me who my favourite golfer was? Did I get his short game magic .............?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

When seeking improvements or change there is always a decline when implementing technique, swing, thoughts, and a LOT of work to see the changes to fruition. You can't expect after one session to be playing mind blowing golf. You have to put the work in and apply that in a game situation and in my experience sometimes you exaggerate the changes, which will hold you back, that's why you go back and cure that, then hopefully you get it. What I say to those 18, is that they wasn't prepared to do the work and stick at it tbh.

Just cos out of 20, 18 didn't want to go back doesn't give you the proof that it doesn't work as that is up to the individual who is prepared to work at it. I was fortunate at the age of 11 to have had Seve's arm on my shoulder and ask me who my favourite golfer was? Did I get his short game magic .............?

The session was 13 months ago and they guy who has suffered has tried the person methods every single time he has played

I do like your reasoning for it not working or for 18 people not wishing to see him again - because they didn't work at it enough !! Yes that just be the reason because it couldn't be anything else like - mind coaches don't work for everyone !

 

[3565]

The session was 13 months ago and they guy who has suffered has tried the person methods every single time he has played

I do like your reasoning for it not working or for 18 people not wishing to see him again - because they didn't work at it enough !! Yes that just be the reason because it couldn't be anything else like - mind coaches don't work for everyone !

and so does your approach to the game, doesn't work for everyone. Did you walk away and say, ok, I will put some of what he said into practise or did you, I would suspect say, what a load of tosh and not bother!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

and so does your approach to the game, doesn't work for everyone. Did you walk away and say, ok, I will put some of what he said into practise or did you, I would suspect say, what a load of tosh and not bother!

I didn't go - I wasn't going to give money to someone to tell me how to think on a golf course.

The people paid nearly £50 per person and most attempted to implement his methods of thinking and most gave up because it cluttered their heads.

My FC has been trying it for months and months and finally gave up and went back to his old way of thinking.

 

[Sir Scoop-A-Lot]

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