Poulter kicking off

bladeplayer said:
Thanks Phil , , just thinking out loud here ,

I wouldnt be really fair then if a ref interjected to stop a rule been broken without been asked would it ? cept in a major ..? (as all groups wouldnt have that chance )

Just curious
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Yeah I see your thinking there an agree

Never heard of a ref getting involved before a rule is broken but these days the pros certainly play it safe and call in a ref

Having a ref with you is quite strange

Had a county final last year and we each had a ref with us - focused your mind a bit ( upset my Oppo when trying to decide who putts first )!
 
bladeplayer said:
Must admit i never knew that ...
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There is, of course, a limit of what they should/shouldn't/can/can't do.

Telling a player he has teed in front of the blocks or that he must re-drop because a drop was invalid is fine (that one would have prevented Poulter's 2SP). But he can't give advice about. So in the situation of another thread - the footprint in a bunker/unplayable one - he couldn't/shouldn't tell a player not to rake the bunker.

But R/Os and referees are not there to 'pounce' on breaches a player may not be aware of until after they sign their card, which is what CMAC seems to be suggesting. If made aware, they will make every endeavour to prevent a DQ.

Liverpoolphil said:
Never heard of a ref getting involved before a rule is broken but these days the pros certainly play it safe and call in a ref
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Well, informing Poulter that his drop was invalid, as he would have done, would have been one!

It's not the Drop that was the reason for the penalty (though it was the cause). It was his subsequent play of the invalidly dropped ball that triggered the Penalty. Subtle, but important, difference.
 
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Foxholer said:
There is, of course, a limit of what they should/shouldn't/can/can't do.

Telling a player he has teed in front of the blocks or that he must re-drop because a drop was invalid is fine (that one would have prevented Poulter's 2SP). But he can't give advice about. So in the situation of another thread - the footprint in a bunker/unplayable one - he couldn't/shouldn't tell a player not to rake the bunker.

But R/Os and referees are not there to 'pounce' on breaches a player may not be aware of until after they sign their card, which is what CMAC seems to be suggesting. If made aware, they will make every endeavour to prevent a DQ.


Well, informing Poulter that his drop was invalid would have been one!

It's not the Drop that was the reason for the penalty (though it was the cause). It was his subsequent play of the invalidly dropped ball that triggered the Penalty. subtle, but important, difference.
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Cheers mate , every day a school day for me ,
Thanks
 
Tommo21 said:
Not going by his tweets..........Poulter is taking it in good spirits, he's even got a comp for the best caption and blames himself totally.
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That will be the normal Poulter :thup:
 
Stuey01 said:
Agree. He is typically very hard on himself when he makes mistakes or doesn't play well. I don't know where this suggestion that he looks to blame others comes from.
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He has spent all afternoon taking the pee out of himself and even ran a comp to take the Michael out of him :thup:
 
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What I can't understand is this........Given the amount of time players and their caddies spend on planes, in hotel rooms and general waiting about during bad weather interruptions why don't they study the rules?!! Given how much attention they give to other detail I find it baffling.
If I was paying a caddie, I would at the very least, expect this to be part of the service I am paying for.
 
brickie said:
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What I can't understand is this........Given the amount of time players and their caddies spend on planes, in hotel rooms and general waiting about during bad weather interruptions why don't they study the rules?!! Given how much attention they give to other detail I find it baffling.
If I was paying a caddie, I would at the very least, expect this to be part of the service I am paying for.
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Because everyone can make a simple mistake even if they know every single rule
 
brickie said:
But if both caddie and player knew the rules mistakes would be less likely. 2 club lengths for a penalty and 1 for a free is very basic stuff.
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It is very basic but these things happen.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It is very basic but these things happen.[/QUO

Phil, you are obviously a very forgiving and tolerant man:)............but if this had cost him an Open or Masters title I'm not sure Poulters tweets would be as jocular as todays.
Don't remember Woosnam saying "these things happen" when he discovered he had fifteen clubs in the bag!
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The Woosnam incident is totally different scenario - the caddy was responsible for the bag

In this incident the player was responsible for the drop and Poulter has admitted the blame is on him
 
bladeplayer said:
Must admit i never knew that ...

is there a ref with every single match in pro golf ? genuine question by the way , i dont know the answer
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There is a question about slow play to Paul Lawrie in this months mag. He says it drives him nuts but until they have a ref with every group nothing will be done, but that having a ref with every match will never happen as it's too expensive.
 
So the caddy and Polts made the same mistake? two minds over a simple drop? or the caddy dont
even bother with the situation of the player?
 
As we have seen more than once even the Pro's and their caddy can make mistakes when it comes to the rules

Most tournaments will only have 3 or 4 rules officials, who more often than not will be called by players if they are unsure as to how they should proceed.

As regards a referee warning players who are about to breach a rule, Decision 34-2/3 reads...

Q. If a referee observes a player about to breach a rule, may he warn the player and then prevent a breach?

A. Yes. While a referee is not obliged to warn a player who is about to breach a rule, it is generally recommended that a referee should do so. If he volunteers information about the rules, he should do so uniformly to all players.
However, in matchplay where the referee has not been assigned to accompany the players throughout the match, the referee has no authority to intervene and therefore, must not warn the player.

In Ian Poulter's situation, the 2 shot penalty came about once he played from the wrong place. If a referee had seen the rule breach and before Poulter had played his shot, he could have advised him that this was an incorrect drop. The player could then have lifted the ball without penalty and then proceeded correctly. Rule 20-6
 
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