Plugged ball - not found?

[Gopher]

Did I see that correctly this morning on the European Open in Germany?

A drive went into the rough, was not found and suspected to have plugged. The player got a free drop, which happened to be on the fairway, as it was the closest from what I guessed was deemed casual water in the rough.

Was it a local rule to give a free drop? I can't see anything about it in the R&A rules guide.

I'm not an armchair rules expert...! I just wondered what the general rule is, as our course suffers from plugged lies in winter.. I've always gone back to the tee under penalty if a ball has not been found and assumed plugged.

 

[guest100718]

Did I see that correctly this morning on the European Open in Germany?

A drive went into the rough, was not found and suspected to have plugged. The player got a free drop, which happened to be on the fairway, as it was the closest from what I guessed was deemed casual water in the rough.

Was it a local rule to give a free drop? I can't see anything about it in the R&A rules guide.

I'm not an armchair rules expert...! I just wondered what the general rule is, as our course suffers from plugged lies in winter.. I've always gone back to the tee under penalty if a ball has not been found and assumed plugged.

Lost in abnormal ground conditions I would think

 

[duncan mackie]

Did I see that correctly this morning on the European Open in Germany?

A drive went into the rough, was not found and suspected to have plugged. The player got a free drop, which happened to be on the fairway, as it was the closest from what I guessed was deemed casual water in the rough.

Was it a local rule to give a free drop? I can't see anything about it in the R&A rules guide.

I'm not an armchair rules expert...! I just wondered what the general rule is, as our course suffers from plugged lies in winter.. I've always gone back to the tee under penalty if a ball has not been found and assumed plugged.

The ball would have to be known, or virtually certain, to have been lost in casual water for this ruling to have been given. Given the number of observers such a situation is more likely at an event like this than you average club stableford!

 

[Foxholer]

The ball would have to be known, or virtually certain, to have been lost in casual water for this ruling to have been given. Given the number of observers such a situation is more likely at an event like this than you average club stableford!

And Yes, it's quite acceptable for any comp to implement the standard Appendix 1 3a 'Plugged in the Rough' Local. And/or (more frequently) 3b - Preferred Lies.

However, because the drop for this particular incident was not 'as near as possible...' it would seem that, as Duncan notes, it was deemed to have been 'lost in casual water' so 25-1c (Abnormal Ground Conditions - ball not found) applies.

 

[rulefan]

And Yes, it's quite acceptable for any comp to implement the standard Appendix 1 3b - Preferred Lies.

Although the PGA tour have tried it on the RBs have not approved it TTG

"A ball lying on a closely-mown area through the green ..."

 

[mikejohnchapman]

I was at the Seniors Open at Royal Porthcawl this weekend and a ball was hit into the rough. It was in so deep it looked to be plugged. However, when it was lifted to be identified the rules official said that under R&A tournament rules it had to be replaced as there was no relief for balls plugged through the green.

So bad he went back to the tee to play another for 3

 

[Smiffy]

Did I see that correctly this morning on the European Open in Germany?

A drive went into the rough, was not found and suspected to have plugged. The player got a free drop, which happened to be on the fairway, as it was the closest from what I guessed was deemed casual water in the rough.

Was it a local rule to give a free drop? I can't see anything about it in the R&A rules guide.

I'm not an armchair rules expert...! I just wondered what the general rule is, as our course suffers from plugged lies in winter.. I've always gone back to the tee under penalty if a ball has not been found and assumed plugged.

Playing at St Mellion one year, mate hit his drive straight down the middle of a rain sodden 12th fairway.
We all saw it.
But we couldn't find his ball. It must have plugged.
He had to walk back to the tee and played 3 off......

 

[marggiehopkins]

Hello everybody! Nice to meet you here, I am very bad golf player, but I am here to learn everything about this game. Thanks you all, guys, for advices and support.

 

[Colin L]

Hello everybody! Nice to meet you here, I am very bad golf player, but I am here to learn everything about this game. Thanks you all, guys, for advices and support.

If you're hoping to get some customers for your essays, you'll need to sharpen up the grammar and punctuation in your postings.

 

[williamalex1]

Hello everybody! Nice to meet you here, I am very bad golf player, but I am here to learn everything about this game. Thanks you all, guys, for advices and support.

Welcome to the madhouse , get wired in and ask away. Don't bother about the spelling and grammar police :thup:

 

[Colin L]

Welcome to the madhouse , get wired in and ask away. Don't bother about the spelling and grammar police :thup:

Don't count me in with any spelling and grammar police: I never comment on the way a genuine poster writes. But check out the signature and you'll see what I'm getting at.

 

[Gopher]

Playing at St Mellion one year, mate hit his drive straight down the middle of a rain sodden 12th fairway.
We all saw it.
But we couldn't find his ball. It must have plugged.
He had to walk back to the tee and played 3 off......

Back to the topic.... If I hit a sky ball, it drops in the rough and I don't find it so say to my 4ball, 'it's ok, I can drop one on the fairway for no penalty'... I think I'd be told in no uncertain terms......

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Back to the topic.... If I hit a sky ball, it drops in the rough and I don't find it so say to my 4ball, 'it's ok, I can drop one on the fairway for no penalty'... I think I'd be told in no uncertain terms......

The rough isn't considered abnormal ground conditions, so yes, you'd be told no.