Playing Handicap Allowances

[sawtooth]

That is correct. England Golf recommend Index, Course AND Playing are shown on card, but Course Handicap looks to be the one relevant to the Rules of Golf.

However, even with CH shown, that doesn't mean some players will not pick up early when they can no longer score a point in the competition. Ultimately they'll know their Playing handicap anyway, so many will naturally pick up early when they shouldn't, so it'll still have to be drummed into them. Arguable, for a player who is all about winning competitions, and is quite happy to have as high a handicap as possible, there is little incentive for them to hole out when they miss their putt for a point, yet still need the next in terms of CH. Granted, this will not happen every round and ultimately unlikely to make any real difference overall, given that this scenario would need to happen on the 1 or 2 holes in which they get shots under CH but not PH.

We print labels and stick them on score cards so we'll most likely add both CH and PH for the player anyway. We are not planning to allow comps with different tee boxes so this shouldn't be too onerous.

 

[jim8flog]

Thanks , I agree course rating and slope rating should also feature.

I’ve seen also strokes received alongside HI, CH and PH. I think that’s probably a good idea, what do you think?

Where can I find the official recommendation?

So DQ will apply if CH is either missing or high? Not the PH.

As per Rule fan PH = Strokes allowed just different terminology

You can find the Official requirements and recommendations

On the CONGU website
https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CONGU-Rules-of-Handicapping1.pdf

https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Handicapping-Advice.pdf

 

[jim8flog]

We print labels and stick them on score cards so we'll most likely add both CH and PH for the player anyway.

Will you have enough time to do this bearing in mind that a players HI may change at 12.01 a.m on the day of the comp.

We used to print labels but see that going out of the window with the WHS.

 

[rulie]

It's the player's responsibility to put the correct handicap on his card, not the Committee's responsibility. Rules of golf, 3.3b(4)

 

[backwoodsman]

Will you have enough time to do this bearing in mind that a players HI may change at 12.01 a.m on the day of the comp.

We used to print labels but see that going out of the window with the WHS.

Surely if the system is updated at 12:01, then the correct HI will come out when the label is printed at 8:05 - or whatever time one signs in to the comp? Or are some clubs so far behind that one doesnt sign in on the computer?

 

[sawtooth]

Labels are normally generated day or 2 before but thinking about it , our competition secretary stopped putting hcap on card because it caused issues - so this is probably not the way to go.

 

[jim8flog]

Surely if the system is updated at 12:01, then the correct HI will come out when the label is printed at 8:05 - or whatever time one signs in to the comp? Or are some clubs so far behind that one doesnt sign in on the computer?

Our comps start at 7.30 am the office opens at 9am.

 

[Jimbof]

Just to note that the link has changed - it can be found here:

https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Handicapping-Advice-V1.1.pdf

Sorry - changed again to a fixed location so that the link will no longer be different for future updates:

https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/WHSDocs/Handicapping-Advice.pdf

 

[rulefan]

What goes on the scorecard ? Course handicap or playing handicap or both?

3.3b(4)/1 – Meaning of “Handicap” Player Must Show on Scorecard
In net-score stroke-play competitions, it is the player’s responsibility to ensure that his or her handicap is shown on the scorecard. “Handicap” means the handicap for the course and tees being played, excluding any handicap allowances as set out within the Terms of the Competition. The Committee is responsible for applying any handicap allowances and adjustments.

 

[sawtooth]

Regarding the risk of picking up early in stableford, is the example below a possible scenario to demonstrate this?

Player with HI of 20 has a CH or 25 and PH of 24 on a given course, on a given tee. Assuming they go purely by the PH, that player gets 1 shot on every hole, 2 shots on SI 1-6. If on SI 7 they cant make a 5 (assume par 4), they may pick up because that person can no longer score. However, for handicap purposes that person would be getting an extra shot , so if they holed out with a 6 that is actually a net 5 for handicap purposes. Whereas if they pick up that would be reduced to a net 6 for handicap purposes? Right?

 

[NearHull]

Regarding the risk of picking up early in stableford, is the example below a possible scenario to demonstrate this?

Player with HI of 20 has a CH or 25 and PH of 24 on a given course, on a given tee. Assuming they go purely by the PH, that player gets 1 shot on every hole, 2 shots on SI 1-6. If on SI 7 they cant make a 5 (assume par 4), they may pick up because that person can no longer score. However, for handicap purposes that person would be getting an extra shot , so if they holed out with a 6 that is actually a net 5 for handicap purposes. Whereas if they pick up that would be reduced to a net 6 for handicap purposes? Right?

My brain hurts

 

[Swango1980]

Regarding the risk of picking up early in stableford, is the example below a possible scenario to demonstrate this?

Player with HI of 20 has a CH or 25 and PH of 24 on a given course, on a given tee. Assuming they go purely by the PH, that player gets 1 shot on every hole, 2 shots on SI 1-6. If on SI 7 they cant make a 5 (assume par 4), they may pick up because that person can no longer score. However, for handicap purposes that person would be getting an extra shot , so if they holed out with a 6 that is actually a net 5 for handicap purposes. Whereas if they pick up that would be reduced to a net 6 for handicap purposes? Right?

Your thinking is correct, but scores one out. For Playing Handicap, he gets 1 shot, so he'd get a point for a gross 6 (nett bogey). However, if he missed that, he might decide to pick up as a 7 will not get him a point. However, he shouldn't, because he would have had 2 shots if his Course Handicap was used. So, if he picked up before making a 7, for handicap purposes if would assume a nett double bogey, which would be a gross 8.

 

[sawtooth]

Your thinking is correct, but scores one out. For Playing Handicap, he gets 1 shot, so he'd get a point for a gross 6 (nett bogey). However, if he missed that, he might decide to pick up as a 7 will not get him a point. However, he shouldn't, because he would have had 2 shots if his Course Handicap was used. So, if he picked up before making a 7, for handicap purposes if would assume a nett double bogey, which would be a gross 8.

Oh yes sorry it would be a two shot hole , good spot!

That’s good I’m just going to tell people use your CH and go by that when playing golf, let the software take care of the PH and allowance for Stableford and Medal play. That way you can’t go wrong.

Players are not really required to know or put PH on the card afaik so that’s the message I’m taking to our members. Know it if you want so you can tally your score but focus on the CH.

 

[Swango1980]

Oh yes sorry it would be a two shot hole , good spot!

That’s good I’m just going to tell people use your CH and go by that when playing golf, let the software take care of the PH and allowance for Stableford and Medal play. That way you can’t go wrong.

Players are not really required to know or put PH on the card afaik so that’s the message I’m taking to our members. Know it if you want so you can tally your score but focus on the CH.

I'm refraining too much on telling members that at the moment. Having told a few experienced members, they just get confused, as they are trying to take everything else on board. And, to most competition golfers, their instinct is going to mean they are more interested in their Playing Handicap rather than Course handicap, as they are trying to see how they compete in that competition.

I'm also afraid that, for golfers who are purely thinking about performances in competitions, they will have no incentive to make that final putt, if they can't score in the competition anyway.