Peaches Geldof

[Deleted member 15344]

I would suggest that, rather like alcoholism, nobody would choose to become an addict with all that it does to the individual's life.

In the same way that not every one who takes a drink becomes dependent so not every person who experiments with drugs progresses to addiction.

Should we all be so judgemental or should we, perhaps, say "there but for the grace of God".

Can understand that no one chooses to become addicted but i would say that everyone knows the dangers with these drugs and how easy it is to become addicted to them and she had the initial choice whether to try them or not and she decided to ignore the dangers.

i will never ever understand why someone would ever try them when the dangers are very clear.

 

[6inchcup]

Eh? I don't like much? What on earth are you on about?

It she was in the grip of an addiction I don't think it was particularly selfish. She needed help not condemnation IMO.

she was getting help but chose to inject herself knowing she could die like all bag heads they think of no one but themselves and are selfish.

 

[AmandaJR]

I can't help but always feel sorry for addicts who try to get clean but can't and suffer this way. I'm not sure if she comes into that category but I assume so and wasn't happy getting high every day and relying on the drugs. She must have hated herself every day for being weak and giving in to her addiction and that makes for a very miserable life and vicious circle where only when under the influence would she feel less miserable.

I have no time for those who are addicted and don't care how that affects them or others nor those that kid themselves they're not addicted.

So I'm not totally sure how I feel, but mainly sympathy for her and those she has hurt.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Can understand that no one chooses to become addicted but i would say that everyone knows the dangers with these drugs and how easy it is to become addicted to them and she had the initial choice whether to try them or not and she decided to ignore the dangers.

i will never ever understand why someone would ever try them when the dangers are very clear.

I agree but then people choose to smoke despite being well aware of the risks, people even text whilst driving and admit to realising the risks involved.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree but then people choose to smoke despite being well aware of the risks, people even text whilst driving and admit to realising the risks involved.

I know - madness - I used to smoke and drink lots ( mainly when in Cyprus ) and now i hardly drink (mainly during special occasions ) and gave up smoking long time ago - even now i cant understand why i threw away so much money by smoking - madness. I think in regards smoking things are getting better in regards being less acceptable

 

[Foxholer]

Heard on the radio someone stating that they should make the drugs legal to ensure they are cleaner and controlled and let the government tax them ?!

Apparently the Government makes significantly more out of the tax on cigarettes (and alcohol) than the 'cost' to the health system!

I mentioned to a guy who lit a cigar on the 15th hole - having just won the match - that some 'B' would attempt to ban that and he replied 'they are considering assisted suicide but don't want us to smoke!'. I think he had a point!

There are certainly 'heroin substitutes' available via NHS!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apparently the Government makes significantly more out of the tax on cigarettes (and alcohol) than the 'cost' to the health system!

I mentioned to a guy who lit a cigar on the 15th hole - having just won the match - that some 'B' would attempt to ban that and he replied 'they are considering assisted suicide but don't want us to smoke!'. I think he had a point!

There are certainly 'heroin substitutes' available via NHS!

Assisted suicide is a world apart from smoking etc - it would be there for a reason.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

she was getting help but chose to inject herself knowing she could die like all bag heads they think of no one but themselves and are selfish.

Ok I think you have made your point!

Addiction is an illness, we aren't dealing with stupid people here, they are well aware of the possible consequences of their actions, but the craving gnaws away the logic,

I don't know what the answer is, but slagging off dead people isn't it.

 

[gdunc79]

I dont particularly like these types of threads. If nothing else she was a daughter and mother. Her family must be devastated.

Good post. Who are we to judge her?? Sounds like she loved her kids but what chance did her own mother leave her with? I find it difficult to condemn her too much.....just a young girl who had access to mixing with dodgy people. RIP.

 

[Foxholer]

Assisted suicide is a world apart from smoking etc - it would be there for a reason.

For terminal, smoking caused, Lung Cancer sufferers?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For terminal, smoking caused, Lung Cancer sufferers?

No i dont believe that should be a reason for assisted suicide.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Getting off track a bit chaps methinks
Thanks

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Disappointing the lack of understanding of the nature of addiction that some on here show - and some of the comments about the girl are in my view reprehensible.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I know she lost her mother at a very young age but i honestly think Bob Geldof has failed as a father.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Disappointing the lack of understanding of the nature of addiction that some on here show - and some of the comments about the girl are in my view reprehensible.

To become addicted to something would mean trying something in the first place - as harsh as it sounds i do lose sympathy for someone when they get addicted to hard drugs when the dangers are out there for all to see and read about - its not a new revelation , no one forces the young lady to start taking heroin - she had a choice and she made it - its time they started taking responsibilty for those choices. The sympathy is fully with the children she has left behind. It is sad that people feel they must try these things but these people are turned into some sort of idol to look up to when this happens - society i believe needs to stop putting these people up on pedastals.

 

[Foxholer]

society i believe needs to stop putting these people up on pedastals.

Pedestals? Who's putting who on them?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Pedestals? Who's putting who on them?

Media for one with the way they portray their deaths and their choices in life - some people worship others like Cobain and Winehouse for example - instead of condemning their actions whilst they were alive - it somehow seems to be glorified and for the wrong reasons. It appears their drug abuse gets "justified" because they are "flawed genuises"

 

[Hacker Khan]

I know she lost her mother at a very young age but i honestly think Bob Geldof has failed as a father.

He seemed to be doing a good job when I saw Boomtown Rats last Saturday at a festival.

Poor old Bob, tries to do his best to make the world a better place what with Live Aid and all that stuff, but he reckoned without the moral indignation of the Golf Monthly Forum. It's a harsh world. But then again I suspect he already knows that.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Media for one with the way they portray their deaths and their choices in life - some people worship others like Cobain and Winehouse for example - instead of condemning their actions whilst they were alive - it somehow seems to be glorified and for the wrong reasons. It appears their drug abuse gets "justified" because they are "flawed genuises"

I think you'll find that most of the media condemned people like Amy Winehouse for the way she was behaving whilst she was alive. And since she died the common theme was a very talented but flawed person that wasted her life.

Yes there will always be one or two people that worship people like that, but I don't think it's the media's fault.

 

[JCW]

Some on here don`t understand the power of addiction and why people are lead down this road , drink , drugs , or any other form are things that are hard to control , People take smack because in many cases they are trouble in their minds and this drug takes it all away and the are relax and feel no pain , then it wears off and they feel down again so they do it again as it makes them feel good and after a bit they are hooked and have to take it to feel normal and thats when the problems start getting worst and leads to death in the end, its a drug that takes over your life , its all very sad , not everyone is mentally strong and once hooked it takes a strong mind and will power to clean up and stay clean , she was just someone who could not cope and now is at peace ............