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Snelly
Guest
Absolutely tragic.
I would think that she probably killed herself and if that is the case then she must've been very damaged mentally, especially given that she is leaving two young children behind.
Really sad.
I would think that she probably killed herself and if that is the case then she must've been very damaged mentally, especially given that she is leaving two young children behind.
Really sad.
dufferman
Journeyman Pro
Heard on the radio this morn that a journo 'friend' said she was looking 'very thin' over the past few weeks, and that he 'had concerns for her'.
Just adding more gas to the fire in my opinion, and probably not what the Geldofs want at the moment...!
Just adding more gas to the fire in my opinion, and probably not what the Geldofs want at the moment...!
Post mortem due on Wednesday apparently so it should give a few more clues. At the end of the day a young family has lost their mother and whatever the cause nothing will change that.
drdel
Tour Rookie
C'mon children play nicely.
She's died and we don't yet know how - it is unusual for someone that age to die of natural causes, but unfortunately it happens. Sadly in the environment and 'industry' of her family circle these early deaths are more common; hence the speculation which is just human nature and doesn't make the speculators bad people just a little more vocal with thoughts that others keep to themselves.
My wife died quite young and I had to raise my two small kid without a mother so, in my opinion, any sympathy should be focussed on them.
She's died and we don't yet know how - it is unusual for someone that age to die of natural causes, but unfortunately it happens. Sadly in the environment and 'industry' of her family circle these early deaths are more common; hence the speculation which is just human nature and doesn't make the speculators bad people just a little more vocal with thoughts that others keep to themselves.
My wife died quite young and I had to raise my two small kid without a mother so, in my opinion, any sympathy should be focussed on them.
Ethan
Money List Winner
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...died-heroin-overdose-report-article-1.1774669
Well, fancy that. So it turns out all the misguided speculation wasn't so misguided after all. Of course, it was bleeding obvious that it was drugs, intentional or unintentional.
Can we now switch the debate to one about whether a privileged young woman really gave a damn about her kids if she was still taking heroin?
By the way, I don't really subscribe to the 'drugs (or alcohol) addiction is a disease' notion. It isn't, it is a behaviour.
Well, fancy that. So it turns out all the misguided speculation wasn't so misguided after all. Of course, it was bleeding obvious that it was drugs, intentional or unintentional.
Can we now switch the debate to one about whether a privileged young woman really gave a damn about her kids if she was still taking heroin?
By the way, I don't really subscribe to the 'drugs (or alcohol) addiction is a disease' notion. It isn't, it is a behaviour.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
As someone who has never been addicted to drugs I can't really comment. But following your logic smokers don't give a damn about their kids either as that is a drug addiction that will kill you earlier than if you did not take them.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Did I mention smoking? NO, but since you did ....Cigarettes can be addictive, for sure, but I would agree that people who smoke in front of their kids and expose them to the smoke don't give much of a damn about them.
On the general issue of substance abuse, the US philosophy of addiction, 12 step programme, AA, rehab and all that stuff isn't really shared with the UK, in which more focus is given to behaviour than notions of addiction.
That said, different substances have differing (physical) addiction potential. Cigarettes are fairly addictive, drugs and alcohol less so, sex not at all. But the UK philosophy of treatment begins with just stopping doing it.
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Old Skier
Tour Winner
True - reformed smoker, the worst kind.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
It's just a habit. We spend to long making excuses. If people want to smoke that's fine with me but don't go around blubing that you cannot give it up.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Well, nicotine does have addictive properties, but i agree that treatment starts with the idea it is a habit, and the various things used to help, medicines, acupuncture etc are basically just support mechanisms for willpower.
Rumpokid
Challenge Tour Pro
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No one knows why she did it, priveledged or not.
It is sad for the kids and all her family,whatever the circumstance,the loss of life is tragic.
Bit of a sweeping statement from a moderator. I have seen threads closed for similar replies to other ,more golf related issues on here.
Is golf an addiction?..Or is it behaviour?
No need to debate whether she gave a damn about her kids or not, someone has to pick up the pieces...Let her rest in peace, and not have people commenting on stuff the they do not know about..It is someones family.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Golf is certainly not an addiction.
Geldof lived her life in the public eye, willingly and by her own choice and she used her celebrity to raise issues she felt were important, so it is entirely appropriate that her death follows the same.
It is well known that celebrity suicides and deaths often cause copycat behaviour, so perhaps her death may deprive other children as well as her own. In any case, the picture of her as a caring mother is totally punctured now. If she was a single mother in a sink estate who killed herself, people would be lining up to condemn her for her fecklessness and disregard for the kids and how she was a symptom of the failure of the welfare state etc etc. But she was a celeb, so that is different?
If you feel her death shouldn't be commented upon, feel free not to do so.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Family, not sure she has ever been part of a family. Shame really but a classic case of what happens with no parental control IMHO. Let's hope the kids fair better.
Birchy
Money List Winner
Its a fair point imo.
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c1973
Guest
I've known a couple of junkies (old friends, who became nodding acquaintances) who looked after their kids a helluva lot better than some parents who were not junkies. The assumption that you're a junkie therefore you don't care about your kids is not always correct imho. Although I do understand why the assumption is made by some.
The fact is a family has lost a mother, daughter and sister, let he who is without sin...........
The fact is a family has lost a mother, daughter and sister, let he who is without sin...........
Ethan
Money List Winner
I think you misunderstand. Nobody said that any non-junkie is a better parent than any junkie, but you can't avoid the observation that putting yourself out of your head, risking your own death or serious disease, spending what is usually scarce cash and fraternising with criminal elements are not usually hallmarks of good parenting, all other things being equal.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
hear hear.
chrisd
Major Champion
I think that its absolutely outrageous that any mother of young children, especially one of 11 months, should be taking any, non prescribed illegal drugs, at any time and I have no sympathy whatsoever towards her for putting the lives of those children at risk for her own selfishness.
There, I've said it but I'll probably get told I'm wrong!
There, I've said it but I'll probably get told I'm wrong!
and with that, do you not think its a selfish act, whether accidental or intentional, by the way, I think she took her own life personally.
