Paul Nutter

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And how would the views, worries and concerns of those that voted Leave have been taken into account if the vote had been reversed? Do you really think that they would have been addressed at all or do you think that the UK would have simply carried on being a member of the EU with absolutely no changes?

Which takes us right back to the question that you have been asked several times and have refused or failed to answer............

If the result had gone the other way and Remain had won what concessions would have been given to those that voted Leave?

But it didn't.

My concern is the attitude that Complainers are taking towards us who voted to Remain - who now accept that, by a narrow majority, the UK will leave the EU - unless that is very many of those who voted to Leave realise the error of their ways and change their mind - then we may not.

In any case - if Remain had the majority then the deal that Cameron has negotiated would be implemented. And I have previously stated that I would expect there to have to be further consideration by Cameron on controlling immigration and/or immigrant qualification for receipt of benefits - to counter what would be a growing UKIP threat to the Tories.

 

[Sweep]

I cannot frustrate 'the will of the people' if I do not know what that is other than 'leave EU' - and I do not wish that to be frustrated because - yes - that could lead to Nuttall having a very important part in the political life of this country, and IMO that would be disastrous for the social cohesion and well-being of this country.

And btw leaving the EU is not 'the will of the people' - it is the will of the small majority of 'the people' who voted for leave, and they do not speak for me.

In talking of 'Leave' 'being 'the will of the people' you ignore the will of the large minority voter, and I believe that doing so will cause significant issues in the future were Brexit to not be quite as magical as it is painted by that small majority.

But hey - the Complainers will continue to moan that we 'losers' won't shut up. Well we won't until there is evidence that we are being properly listened to and our views, worries and concerns are being taken into account. And I doubt I will hear much of that from Paul Nuttall.

Oh good grief.
Its been 5 months since the referendum. Just accept the side you supported lost and move on for crying out loud. All this moaning is not doing you any good. Picking at the result for any last crumb of comfort won't change the result. I know it's a downer but amazingly the result means that the views of the MAJORITY come first, not those in the MINORITY. That is life in a democracy. I know you don't like democracy, especially when it goes against you, but that's your problem, just like it was for me when Tony Bliar kept getting elected. The difference is I accepted the result because I believe in democracy and the will of the people even when it goes against me.

 

[SocketRocket]

But it didn't.

My concern is the attitude that Complainers are taking towards us who voted to Remain - who now accept that, by a narrow majority, the UK will leave the EU - unless that is very many of those who voted to Leave realise the error of their ways and change their mind - then we may not.

In any case - if Remain had the majority then the deal that Cameron has negotiated would be implemented. And I have previously stated that I would expect there to have to be further consideration by Cameron on controlling immigration and/or immigrant qualification for receipt of benefits - to counter what would be a growing UKIP threat to the Tories.

Cop out, why dont you answer his question.

Cameron had no possibility to change Benefits for immigrants from the EU, his Overlords had made that quite clear to him and he never had the balls to man up and make some real demands. If he had then the referendum may have resulted differently.

 

[Sweep]

For those advocating PR can I just point out that was the only other referendum we have had in decades and we decided against it.

 

[Hacker Khan]

For those advocating PR can I just point out that was the only other referendum we have had in decades and we decided against it.

But as has been abundantly clear recently things change in politics very quickly now. And with UKIP behind it then look how good they are at winning referendums.

 

[SocketRocket]

I cannot frustrate 'the will of the people' if I do not know what that is other than 'leave EU' - and I do not wish that to be frustrated because - yes - that could lead to Nuttall having a very important part in the political life of this country, and IMO that would be disastrous for the social cohesion and well-being of this country.

And btw leaving the EU is not 'the will of the people' - it is the will of the small majority of 'the people' who voted for leave, and they do not speak for me.

In talking of 'Leave' 'being 'the will of the people' you ignore the will of the large minority voter, and I believe that doing so will cause significant issues in the future were Brexit to not be quite as magical as it is painted by that small majority.

But hey - the Complainers will continue to moan that we 'losers' won't shut up. Well we won't until there is evidence that we are being properly listened to and our views, worries and concerns are being taken into account. And I doubt I will hear much of that from Paul Nuttall.

The will of the people is what most vote for, that's the way democracies work. I know you don't like that; especially when the result goes against you but thats the way the cookie crumbles and most reasonable thinking people will accept it.

 

[Sweep]

But as has been abundantly clear recently things change in politics very quickly now. And with UKIP behind it then look how good they are at winning referendums.

And maybe the PR referendum result was only advisory. Or maybe we should go to Court to let Parliament vote on it in the vain hope they go against the result. Or maybe we should have a second referendum and a third until we get the result we want and then stop. Perhaps we could get someone like Bob Geldoff to organise a protest and just flatly refuse to accept the result for ever and ever. Perhaps if we stamp our feet and have enough tantrums they might let us have it. It never worked with my mum but millions of children can't be wrong, can they?

 

[SocketRocket]

And maybe the PR referendum result was only advisory. Or maybe we should go to Court to let Parliament vote on it in the vain hope they go against the result. Or maybe we should have a second referendum and a third until we get the result we want and then stop. Perhaps we could get someone like Bob Geldoff to organise a protest and just flatly refuse to accept the result for ever and ever. Perhaps if we stamp our feet and have enough tantrums they might let us have it. It never worked with my mum but millions of children can't be wrong, can they?

And we could get a Man in a pink beret on Question Time to wave his arms around a lot.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

But as has been abundantly clear recently things change in politics very quickly now. And with UKIP behind it then look how good they are at winning referendums.

I just can't think of one reason why Labour and the Tories don't want PR.

 

[Blue in Munich]

But it didn't.

My concern is the attitude that Complainers are taking towards us who voted to Remain - who now accept that, by a narrow majority, the UK will leave the EU - unless that is very many of those who voted to Leave realise the error of their ways and change their mind - then we may not.

In any case - if Remain had the majority then the deal that Cameron has negotiated would be implemented. And I have previously stated that I would expect there to have to be further consideration by Cameron on controlling immigration and/or immigrant qualification for receipt of benefits - to counter what would be a growing UKIP threat to the Tories.

Is that the deal in which we don't know what we'll actually get, the deal in which the EU say they might think about a couple of things, the deal from which you can't actually specify a single concession; that deal?

 

[SocketRocket]

But it didn't.

My concern is the attitude that Complainers are taking towards us who voted to Remain - who now accept that, by a narrow majority, the UK will leave the EU - unless that is very many of those who voted to Leave realise the error of their ways and change their mind - then we may not.

Rhyming slang would suggest that 'Complainers' means 'Remainers' I know they are commonly called 'Remoaners' which also fits but explain how a 'Leaver' can become a 'Complainer'?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Rhyming slang would suggest that 'Complainers' means 'Remainers' I know they are commonly called 'Remoaners' which also fits but explain how a 'Leaver' can become a 'Complainer'?

Because they continually complain that we who voted Remain won't accept the vote; that we won't shut up; that we don't understand the will of the people; that it's democracy get over it; that we won't stop asking them difficult questions to which they don't have the answers. That's why.

This Remoaners epithet is just childish - but since it was coined about those who voted to Remain immediately after the vote then it is democratic that they are then allowed to coin their own childish epithet. Hence Complainers - or would you prefer I used Wrexiteers and Brakesit. I'd rather not but for as long as the childish jibes from the Complainers continue then maybe I just might.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Speaking of names........if UKIP wish to remain as a UK main stream political party they really should change their name.
It must confuse foreigners not knowledgeable of the UK.

I suggest the English Nationalist Party would be the closest fit.

 

[ColchesterFC]

This Remoaners epithet is just childish - but since it was coined about those who voted to Remain immediately after the vote then it is democratic that they are then allowed to coin their own childish epithet. Hence Complainers - or would you prefer I used Wrexiteers and Brakesit. I'd rather not but for as long as the childish jibes from the Complainers continue then maybe I just might.

I thought you were a religious man. What happened to turning the other cheek?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I thought you were a religious man. What happened to turning the other cheek?

I've turned it so many times I'm dizzy and confused

 

[SocketRocket]

Speaking of names........if UKIP wish to remain as a UK main stream political party they really should change their name.
It must confuse foreigners not knowledgeable of the UK.

I suggest the English Nationalist Party would be the closest fit.

In that case maybe the SNP should do the same as they lost the referendum.The Scottish Delusional Party seems a good fit.

 

[SocketRocket]

I've turned it so many times I'm dizzy and confused

I half agree with you.

 

[SocketRocket]

Because they continually complain that we who voted Remain won't accept the vote; that we won't shut up; that we don't understand the will of the people; that it's democracy get over it; that we won't stop asking them difficult questions to which they don't have the answers. That's why.

This Remoaners epithet is just childish - but since it was coined about those who voted to Remain immediately after the vote then it is democratic that they are then allowed to coin their own childish epithet. Hence Complainers - or would you prefer I used Wrexiteers and Brakesit. I'd rather not but for as long as the childish jibes from the Complainers continue then maybe I just might.

I don't really care whether you accept the vote as the vote is over. I still think Complainers and Remainers are a better fit.

Wrexiteers is OK though as we have Wrexiteered our EU membership and Brakesit even better as it reflects nicely the way the Thickos and Great Unwashed have broken the dreams of the Eurofiles for us to be absorbed into the great Continental melting pot where we would all have emerged as Euroclones.

 

[Sweep]

In that case maybe the SNP should do the same as they lost the referendum.The Scottish Delusional Party seems a good fit.

Brilliant

 

[Doon frae Troon]

In what way?

UKIP are the ones with independent in their name.

UKIP a party with a great future behind them.