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[Old Skier]

9/11, which was nothing to do with Iraq.

Nearly there

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes of course I know there were two President Bushes. George Bush Senior was the US President when Iraq invaded Kuwait in about 1990. Then there was a UN mandate to eject the Iraqis from Kuwait, which was Gulf War 1. In 2003 George W Bush ordered an invasion of Iraq, as far as I could see as revenge for 9/11, which was probably nothing to do with Iraq. This time there was no UN mandate, which made this war illegal. I was very much opposed to this war at the time, and wrote letters to my MP and to many newspapers, some of which were published, and also took part in the anti-war march that year. I believe we have a better case for a war against IS, but we should carefully think about the consequences and dealing with the aftermath.

So the mention of Kurds, Bin Laden and Afghan were irrelevant.
Well done on getting your letters published though, makes your point come across even stronger.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yes of course I know there were two President Bushes. George Bush Senior was the US President when Iraq invaded Kuwait in about 1990. Then there was a UN mandate to eject the Iraqis from Kuwait, which was Gulf War 1. In 2003 George W Bush ordered an invasion of Iraq, as far as I could see as revenge for 9/11, which was probably nothing to do with Iraq. This time there was no UN mandate, which made this war illegal. I was very much opposed to this war at the time, and wrote letters to my MP and to many newspapers, some of which were published, and also took part in the anti-war march that year. I believe we have a better case for a war against IS, but we should carefully think about the consequences and dealing with the aftermath.

I bet you had a picture shown in Tony Hart's gallery as well.

 

[Fish]

Fixed that for you

Are mods now advocating physical violence 😳 , if so, I'm in 👍 😂

 

[delc]

So the mention of Kurds, Bin Laden and Afghan were irrelevant.
Well done on getting your letters published though, makes your point come across even stronger.

Osama Bin Laden was relevant because his al Qaeda group was responsible for the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centre and other atrocities, used by the US as justification for invading Iraq. The invasion of Afghanistan was justified by the alleged presence of al Qaeda training camps there. As usual for this country, the occupation did not go well, as the British and the Russians had already found out in the past!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Are mods now advocating physical violence 😳 , if so, I'm in 👍 😂

Not at all, that would be against the rules
However, self flagellation is outside our control

Stand Down

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Was the alleged gassing of the Kurds real, or part of "The Dodgy Dossier"? I was against the invasion of Iraq because I didn't believe that country had anything to do with the 9/11 attack (Bin Laden was a Saudi), and because it would probably stir up more anti-Western terrorist attacks. And boy have I been proved right!

First part of the post is shocking - in fact it's disgraceful

The second part just shows how little you know

 

[delc]

First part of the post is shocking - in fact it's disgraceful

The second part just shows how little you know

So hasn't Islamic terrorism not become even more extreme ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So hasn't Islamic terrorism not become even more extreme ?

Irrelevant to a comment about "alleged" gassing and the suggestion that thousands dying wasn't real

Then to connect 9/11 to Iraq - clueless

 

[delc]

Irrelevant to a comment about "alleged" gassing and the suggestion that thousands dying wasn't real

Then to connect 9/11 to Iraq - clueless

So for what other reason did the USA coalition invade Iraq? It was called 'the war against terror'!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So for what other reason did the USA coalition invade Iraq? It was called 'the war against terror'!

I think it's time you went to google to learn some facts

 

[delc]

I think it's time you went to google to learn some facts

So was there any evidence that the Iraq government were directly involved in any terrorist attacks against the West? As I have already pointed out, al Qaeda were largely Saudi sponsored. However we couldn't declare war on them as they are allegedly a friendly country (or at least a major trading partner).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So was there any evidence that the Iraq government were directly involved in any terrorist attacks against the West? As I have already pointed out, al Qaeda were largely Saudi sponsored. However we couldn't declare war on them as they are allegedly a friendly country (or at least a major trading partner).

Oh dear

Just to help you out

Afghan - war on terror , Al Qaeda based in Afghan and Pakistsn

Iraq - wmd and removing a dictator who murdered thousands of his own people

Obviously it's all a bit more complicated than that but your statements are factually massively incorrect

 

[ger147]

Oh dear

Just to help you out

Afghan - war on terror , Al Qaeda based in Afghan and Pakistsn

Iraq - wmd and removing a dictator who murdered thousands of his own people

Obviously it's all a bit more complicated than that but your statements are factually massively incorrect

The Bush administration made many coments at the time that the Iraq war was part of the "War on Terror".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_and_U.S._Global_War_on_Terror

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Bush administration made many coments at the time that the Iraq war was part of the "War on Terror".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_and_U.S._Global_War_on_Terror

After sitting through briefing after briefings for years on end both in theatre and in the UK the mission statement was never connected to Al Qaeda or 9/11 - the "War On Terror" phrase has a lot of meanings but Iraq wasn't about 9/11 - Bush may have been looking for revenge for 91 or looking to put his authority onto someone etc

 

[Robobum]

Well this has turned in to a nice point scoring thread.

"I'm more intelligent (able to use google) than you,"

usual subjects....bore off

 

[ger147]

After sitting through briefing after briefings for years on end both in theatre and in the UK the mission statement was never connected to Al Qaeda or 9/11 - the "War On Terror" phrase has a lot of meanings but Iraq wasn't about 9/11 - Bush may have been looking for revenge for 91 or looking to put his authority onto someone etc

Bush and his administration said it was in public many times before and during the Iraq war. Many statements were made including linking Iraq/Saddam to Al Qaeda etc.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bush and his administration said it was in public many times before and during the Iraq war. Many statements were made including linking Iraq/Saddam to Al Qaeda etc.

That is my recollection as well.
Bush was out of control with a bloodthirsty USA population urging him to 'do something'.
I still think that an awful lot of Iraq2 was all about control of oil reserves.

 

[Val]

That is my recollection as well.
Bush was out of control with a bloodthirsty USA population urging him to 'do something'.
I still think that an awful lot of Iraq2 was all about control of oil reserves.

No, it was about removing Saddam as a leader as he was seen as the largest loose cannon dictator in the world given his attack on his own people and the stupidity of his invasion of Kuwait. The sad part about is that now he's gone it's a more unstable place than it was before.

9/11 and the invasion of Iraq are not connected other than it all kicked of around the same time, I believe GWB would have went for Saddam without 9/11 happening.

In relation to the phrase "war on terror". It was a widely used term at the time to describe Iraq and Afghanistan, whether that be in the media only or not im not sure but it was used to describe both.

 

[pokerjoke]

Well this has turned in to a nice point scoring thread.

"I'm more intelligent (able to use google) than you,"

usual subjects....bore off

Spot on mate it seems many on here have missed there calling in life.
It seems some are experts in every field and should be doing better than there lives suggest.