Bucket92
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If you could choose only one of them to have in the England team for next summers Ashes series, based on recent performances, which of these two would it be?
Panesar vs Swann
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PhilTheFragger
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That's a really tricky one, both just played blinders with the ball in the last test, but both failed with the bat,
I would say that Swann is generally the better batsman, and is very steady with the ball.
Monty is a number 11 batsman and can be hot or cold with the ball.
With the Ashes, it's a passion filled atmosphere and I would say that Monty is a more passionate bowler
My head says Swann , heart says Monty
I'd go Monty
I would say that Swann is generally the better batsman, and is very steady with the ball.
Monty is a number 11 batsman and can be hot or cold with the ball.
With the Ashes, it's a passion filled atmosphere and I would say that Monty is a more passionate bowler
My head says Swann , heart says Monty
I'd go Monty
chrisd
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Same answer as Phil really but I'd have to go Swann as the man already in the seat and he can bat and field
Well considering Swann did all the damage when the Aussies were here last time I’d go with Swann. A better all round player anyway, he’s a good slip fielder to boot which England need. Monty is an Ok bowler but lacks imagination and struggles to adapt to different tracks with his pace. This Pitch suited him down to the ground, don’t get carried away, he ‘s a shocker of a fielder.
Was watching the Highlights last night and Nass reckoned the ECB should get the old head grounds man from Northhamptonshire to produce all the pitches and play two spinners in the ashes.
Was watching the Highlights last night and Nass reckoned the ECB should get the old head grounds man from Northhamptonshire to produce all the pitches and play two spinners in the ashes.
pendodave
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Might be worth checking the makeup of the aussie batting order - right handers, play monty, left handers, play swann.
Always a bit of a worry to take the batting into account when choosing bowlers. Need to have confidence in the top 6, and if not, change them. It's their job to get the runs, not the no 10/11
Always a bit of a worry to take the batting into account when choosing bowlers. Need to have confidence in the top 6, and if not, change them. It's their job to get the runs, not the no 10/11
bladeplayer
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Go with Swann , no harm to have him there if a nighwatchman needed or someone to dogedly stick around for a draw near the end of an innings ..
One Planer
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Personally, I'd pick Swann.
He's leaps ahead of Panesar with the bat but also has more variation with the ball.
Panesar seems to bowl the same ball for 6 deliveries, no variation.
He's leaps ahead of Panesar with the bat but also has more variation with the ball.
Panesar seems to bowl the same ball for 6 deliveries, no variation.
jammag
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I think this is a very tricky decision. As PendoDave said I think you have to base some of the selection on whether the Aussies bring more lefties or Righties as a ball turning away from the bat is a lot harder to play. Englands selection have always preferred to have bowlers who can bat a bit which is why I think Broad will retain his position in the team. I think you should have 6 batsmen and I would include Prior in that 6 as well. Which leaves you 5 spots to fill, personally I feel in England you need 3 seamers for certain. Anderson Finn Tremlett would be my 3 seamers in England all offering good pace, swing, bounce and seam. The problem with that is it leaves you with 3 no11s, with that you also have your spinning option Swann offers you something with the bat and could easily bat 8 if you pick Monty you are up to 4 no11s. Last position you would ideally want a bowler who can bat abit, does this mean you go with Broad who probably isnt quite good enough to bat 7 or do you go with Patel as the 2nd spinner who can bat at 6 or 7.
What is very apparent is how much we miss a Flintoff who was a genuine all rounder which balanced the team perfectly now which ever way you go you probably set up weighing too much on the batting or the bowler and there isnt a good balance. I dont know wht genuine all rounders will be good enough in the county circuit to make the step up, the only one off the top of my head is Peter Trego at somerset. Anyone else you can think of?
What is very apparent is how much we miss a Flintoff who was a genuine all rounder which balanced the team perfectly now which ever way you go you probably set up weighing too much on the batting or the bowler and there isnt a good balance. I dont know wht genuine all rounders will be good enough in the county circuit to make the step up, the only one off the top of my head is Peter Trego at somerset. Anyone else you can think of?
JT77
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Swann everytime for me, offer more than panesar with regards to his allround game, has produced it against the Aussies before, and not only takes wickets, he creates pressure form one end, which u need in an ashes.
fundy
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Very very different requirement for being a spinner in England to on the subcontinent, in the subcontinent the spinners are your only form of attack with the ball (bar a couple of overs with the newie and a bit of reverse swing later on if lucky), are expected to bowl a high proportion of the overs and get the majority of the wickets. In English conditions the requirement changes greatly to being able to adapt to the situation, the majority of which is going to be as a defensive, pressure building bowler and certainly not your main line of attack (that will be pace/seam/swing).
The 2 candidates are both top class spinners, especially when you compare to what England have had over the past generation or so and Monty can consider himself unfortunate not to have played more tests, but away from the subcontinent this isnt likely to change and Swann will remain the better option in less conducive conditions.
The real interesting fact from the last 2 tests is that Monty has outbowled Swann, as he did for large chunks of the Pakistan series in the Middle East, and a large part of this for me is that he bowls a better pace for the subcontinent pitches (this goes a long way to explaining why the english spinners outbowled the Indian spinners in Mumbai).
All of that is from a bowling perspective, obviously Swann is a better batter and fielder than Monty, the downside being that he is part of the click that tried its hardest to force our best player out over the summer and generally is a bit of a .... (imo)!
The 2 candidates are both top class spinners, especially when you compare to what England have had over the past generation or so and Monty can consider himself unfortunate not to have played more tests, but away from the subcontinent this isnt likely to change and Swann will remain the better option in less conducive conditions.
The real interesting fact from the last 2 tests is that Monty has outbowled Swann, as he did for large chunks of the Pakistan series in the Middle East, and a large part of this for me is that he bowls a better pace for the subcontinent pitches (this goes a long way to explaining why the english spinners outbowled the Indian spinners in Mumbai).
All of that is from a bowling perspective, obviously Swann is a better batter and fielder than Monty, the downside being that he is part of the click that tried its hardest to force our best player out over the summer and generally is a bit of a .... (imo)!
