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fundy said:
Do people really enjoy these farces? complete imbalance between bat and ball, flatter than flat pitches, boundaries brought in, bats bigger than ever?

As someone who played at a decent standard i cant think of anything more boring than watching mis-hits go for 4 and 6 and bowlers look as though they are already condemned to whats going to happen and not really caring. Call me a dinosaur but give me a pitch with a bit in it for everyone (ideally some grass proving a bit of pace bounce and movement), boundaries back as far as possible and there being a risk/reward balance
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Its gone to far to bring in the crowds - people enjoy watching the ball sail over the ropes , i don’t mind it in T20 as it’s part of the thrill but for ODI whilst I understand people like to see it I don’t think they need to produce these dead wickets which give the bowlers nothing - got to find the balance. People will still fill the stands if it’s scores of around 300
 
I agree that the contest between bat and ball has changed dramatically in favour of the batsman. Boundaries are brought in for safety reasons (stewarding seating, fielders away from advertising boards etc), pitches are just flat with zero seam/turn as they don’t need to leave grass on to keep it alive for a prolonged period, bats are just awesome and mis hits go further than a well middled shot 15 years ago, batsmen are generally stronger and fitter in the modern era.

Let’s be honest though. The Aussie attack wasn’t great. England played very well and bat deep. They outcome was always in their favour despite the wicket being easier than stroke play against me.

I don’t mind an awesome batting performance where excellence gains the upper hand but that wasn’t even a proper contest.

I have played a lot of cricket to a good standard and I am mightily pleased that I am not bowling these days.
 
Captainron said:
I agree that the contest between bat and ball has changed dramatically in favour of the batsman. Boundaries are brought in for safety reasons (stewarding seating, fielders away from advertising boards etc), pitches are just flat with zero seam/turn as they don’t need to leave grass on to keep it alive for a prolonged period, bats are just awesome and mis hits go further than a well middled shot 15 years ago, batsmen are generally stronger and fitter in the modern era.

Let’s be honest though. The Aussie attack wasn’t great. England played very well and bat deep. They outcome was always in their favour despite the wicket being easier than stroke play against me.

I don’t mind an awesome batting performance where excellence gains the upper hand but that wasn’t even a proper contest.

I have played a lot of cricket to a good standard and I am mightily pleased that I am not bowling these days.
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I agree. It needs to be more fair. I think the powerplays have had a lot to do with it. I think at the very minimum they should allow more fielders outside the ring in the Power Play to give the bowlers a chance.
 
Captainron said:
I agree that the contest between bat and ball has changed dramatically in favour of the batsman. Boundaries are brought in for safety reasons (stewarding seating, fielders away from advertising boards etc), pitches are just flat with zero seam/turn as they don’t need to leave grass on to keep it alive for a prolonged period, bats are just awesome and mis hits go further than a well middled shot 15 years ago, batsmen are generally stronger and fitter in the modern era.

Let’s be honest though. The Aussie attack wasn’t great. England played very well and bat deep. They outcome was always in their favour despite the wicket being easier than stroke play against me.

I don’t mind an awesome batting performance where excellence gains the upper hand but that wasn’t even a proper contest.

I have played a lot of cricket to a good standard and I am mightily pleased that I am not bowling these days.
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But as the great W G Grace once said .... " they didn't come to watch you bowl, they came to watch me bat"

They are trying to sell it as entertainment, which it prob is now, gone are the days of scores on bowler friendly tracks and low scores, which at times was turgid stuff.

Powers that be don't really care about real cricket fans, its now all about Biff, Bang Pow.;)
 
Captainron said:
I agree that the contest between bat and ball has changed dramatically in favour of the batsman. Boundaries are brought in for safety reasons (stewarding seating, fielders away from advertising boards etc), pitches are just flat with zero seam/turn as they don’t need to leave grass on to keep it alive for a prolonged period, bats are just awesome and mis hits go further than a well middled shot 15 years ago, batsmen are generally stronger and fitter in the modern era.

Let’s be honest though. The Aussie attack wasn’t great. England played very well and bat deep. They outcome was always in their favour despite the wicket being easier than stroke play against me.

I don’t mind an awesome batting performance where excellence gains the upper hand but that wasn’t even a proper contest.

I have played a lot of cricket to a good standard and I am mightily pleased that I am not bowling these days.
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Junior said:
I agree. It needs to be more fair. I think the powerplays have had a lot to do with it. I think at the very minimum they should allow more fielders outside the ring in the Power Play to give the bowlers a chance.
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Also, I think that the 2nd new ball is causing more damage to the bowlers. it was brought in to try and help them, but an old, softer ball will reverse and in theory, should be harder to clear the ropes with.
 
Junior said:
Also, I think that the 2nd new ball is causing more damage to the bowlers. it was brought in to try and help them, but an old, softer ball will reverse and in theory, should be harder to clear the ropes with.
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It was also a problem for the batsmen to see the white ball which turned green/grey after a good number of overs. Could be right to change it back and see what happens.
 
patricks148 said:
But as the great W G Grace once said .... " they didn't come to watch you bowl, they came to watch me bat"

They are trying to sell it as entertainment, which it prob is now, gone are the days of scores on bowler friendly tracks and low scores, which at times was turgid stuff.

Powers that be don't really care about real cricket fans, its now all about Biff, Bang Pow.;)
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In all seriousness, I think they should bin 50 over cricket now. T20 does that Biff, Bang, Pow job and that is where the investment from sponsors is going.

Test cricket will always be proper cricket in my eyes.
 
SaintHacker said:
Surely that would defeat the object of a power play?:confused:
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I'm not suggesting there be no limit. Just increase the number of fielders allowed outside of the circle to give the bowlers a half chance. I do feel a little for bowlers when a batter toes it or hoikes it , the ball gets nowhere near the middle of the bat yet still trickles for a boundary.
 
Just a slight aside here regarding Test Cricket.

With Barstow and Buttler playing, what is to stop England having Bairstow wicket keeping say until Tea with the opposition 7 wickets down. Change to Buttler for the last 3 wickets then Bairstow would be fresher when he comes in to bat say 1hour later.

Is there anything in The Rules to prevent this happening?
 
3offTheTee said:
Just a slight aside here regarding Test Cricket.

With Barstow and Buttler playing, what is to stop England having Bairstow wicket keeping say until Tea with the opposition 7 wickets down. Change to Buttler for the last 3 wickets then Bairstow would be fresher when he comes in to bat say 1hour later.

Is there anything in The Rules to prevent this happening?
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nothing to stop it no
 
There have been examples in the past of keepers taking their pads off and bowling a few overs.

What you say is not daft. I kept wicket for a few years and it is tiring work. On a hot day, up and down constantly, it is hard on your knees. It is also mentally tiring as the keeper is always 'on'. Keeping for most of the day and then having to bat is a tough ask. Reducing that strain could only be a good move. I doubt it would happen but it would make sense.
 
3offTheTee said:
Just a slight aside here regarding Test Cricket.

With Barstow and Buttler playing, what is to stop England having Bairstow wicket keeping say until Tea with the opposition 7 wickets down. Change to Buttler for the last 3 wickets then Bairstow would be fresher when he comes in to bat say 1hour later.

Is there anything in The Rules to prevent this happening?
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Why not just go with the better wicketkeeper (Buttler) from the outset?
 
There is a massive imbalance between bat and ball. Stems from 2 things imo.... introduction of t20 cricket and also a little prior t20 the previous World Cup when Jayasuria set it a lite. If you remember, we actually used a well worn botham to open up.
From there on the likes of Slater, Jayasuria and a little later Hayden took test and one daters another level. This article is pretty good and shows scorin* rates have levelled out in tests.

https://www.thestatszone.com/the-evolution-of-test-cricket

What it doesn’t represent are the sessions that often run at 4 or 5 rpo chasing the game or setting a declaration. These are more prevelant as is the win rate opposed to draws in tests.

The game needs more 100 mph bowlers a la Shoabib and mystery spinners to level it out!
 
Karl102 said:
There is a massive imbalance between bat and ball. Stems from 2 things imo.... introduction of t20 cricket and also a little prior t20 the previous World Cup when Jayasuria set it a lite. If you remember, we actually used a well worn botham to open up.
From there on the likes of Slater, Jayasuria and a little later Hayden took test and one daters another level. This article is pretty good and shows scorin* rates have levelled out in tests.

https://www.thestatszone.com/the-evolution-of-test-cricket

What it doesn’t represent are the sessions that often run at 4 or 5 rpo chasing the game or setting a declaration. These are more prevelant as is the win rate opposed to draws in tests.

The game needs more 100 mph bowlers a la Shoabib and mystery spinners to level it out!
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bigger bats, smaller boundaries, flatter wickets, 2 balls not one all part of the cause

limit the bat size, put the boundaries back out, go back to one ball and leave a bit of grass on the pitch, give the bowlers a fair crack
 
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